Episode 6

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4th Jan 2025

Tim - Breathwork In Bed - #6 - Jan 4, 2025

Harnessing Breathwork for Better Sleep and Resilience with Tim Thomas

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This is the tutorial for the breath of PEACE and POSSIBILITY

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QsuCHJ7UcHrwBIVQp9FTrVvgJGbMjRSw/view?usp=sharing

In this episode of the Neurostimulation Podcast, host Michael Passmore interviews Tim Thomas, an Australian Special Forces veteran and mental health advocate. Thomas discusses his transformative journey from military service to developing his Breathwork In Bed program. They explore the neuroscience behind breathwork, its benefits in reducing stress, enhancing sleep, and fostering overall mental health. Thomas shares personal anecdotes and practical breathwork techniques, emphasizing the power of generosity and connection in promoting well-being. Listeners are also offered a free trial of his breathwork app and an exclusive audiobook. Tune in to discover the profound impact of breathwork on mental clarity, physical health, and emotional resilience.

00:00 Introduction to the Neurostimulation Podcast

00:31 Meet Tim Thomas: From Special Forces to Breathwork Advocate

02:02 The Birth of Breathwork in Bed

03:34 The Power of Breathwork in High-Stress Situations

07:25 Harnessing the Parasympathetic Nervous System

18:16 The Importance of Sleep and Connection

24:07 Challenges and Misconceptions in Mental Health Treatment

32:03 Tim's Breathwork Techniques and Their Impact

38:56 Practical Breathwork Exercises

50:06 The Power of Nasal Breathing

50:59 Breath of Possibility Technique

51:39 Breath of Peace Technique

53:06 The Importance of Relaxation

55:37 The Impact of Three Breaths

58:40 Sharing the Healing

01:00:07 Research and Data Collection

01:06:10 Personal Journey and PTSD

01:14:38 Generosity and Self-Mastery

01:21:18 Morning Routine and Generosity

01:27:38 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Transcript
Mike:

Welcome to the Neurostimulation Podcast, where we explore fascinating

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aspects of neuroscience and

clinical neurostimulation to enhance

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personal health and wellness.

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I'm Michael Passmore, and

today's episode is one that I've

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particularly been looking forward to.

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We're joined today by Tim Thomas, an

Australian Special Forces veteran turned

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mental health advocate and founder

of the Breathwork In Bed program.

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Tim's innovative approach to breathwork

is not only helping people achieve

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better sleep, but also creating profound

connections between mental clarity,

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physical health, and emotional resilience.

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His book, Breathwork In Bed, dives into

the science and practice of breathwork

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and how it can help to quiet the

overthinking mind, reduce stress, and

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optimize sleep, an essential foundation

for neurological and overall health.

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In this episode, we'll unpack Tim's

journey, the neuroscience behind

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breathwork, and how these practices can

complement and enhance what we understand

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about neurostimulation and brain health.

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Tim, welcome to the podcast.

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It's an honor to have you here.

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Tim: It's great to be here, Dr.

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Mike.

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I'm really looking forward to the

next hour with you and your audience.

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Mike: Super.

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Yeah.

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Thanks again.

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Really appreciate it.

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Um, so first of all, your background,

Tim is remarkable from serving in

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the Australian special forces to

becoming a leader in mental health

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treatment and breathwork in particular.

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I'm curious what initially led you to

explore breathwork and how did it evolve

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into the Breathwork In Bed program?

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Tim: Uh, great question, uh, Dr.

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Mike.

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I'm not one of those people

that traveled to India and did

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a bunch of spiritual stuff.

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Before I was in the Special Forces,

I was a professional fighter.

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It was all about performance.

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And, um, you get trained to deal with

fatigue, um, just to get into the,

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into the Australian commandos, right?

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And then, but when you're on deployment,

uh, overseas, we're in Afghanistan,

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fatigue goes to a whole new level.

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You know, you're not just working 24-7,

you know, you're losing your mates.

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Um, you're having limbs blown off others.

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Uh, so it's.

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It's high stress, not a lot of, um, rest.

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And I just found myself at

a point of complete fatigue.

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And, uh, when that happens, you know,

I was arguing with my, my, uh, uh,

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commander and he told me to, you know,

Go away and stare out of the desert

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and, you know, do a guard duty, right?

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Just a punishment.

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And I remember thinking, you know, it's

like I've only got two cents worth of

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energy and I've got this overwhelming

feeling that I'm going to die.

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What's the point?

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What is the point?

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And then after about five minutes

of feeling absolutely crap, I

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thought, well, if I've only got

two cents, two cents worth of

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energy, I better invest that wisely.

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You know, so what I, one thing they

teach you to do in the army before

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you, when you're shooting a rifle

to get a proper site picture, to

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line your site up on a target, they

get you to take a deep breath in.

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let it out slowly and then

gently squeeze the trigger.

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Um, they're not into breath work by any

means, but they, uh, have discovered the

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power of breath work for their own means.

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Okay.

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And a lot of, uh, people use that.

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They sort of have breath work

as a bit of a side dish to

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their own agenda, so to speak.

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And what I found myself doing was before

I, you never got anything that you'd call

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sleep, but I remember lying in the dirt of

Afghanistan, completely tired, and instead

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of just shutting my eyes, trying to sleep,

I, instead of focusing on my right hand,

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which is my, my trigger hand, I focused

on my left thumb and I took a deep breath.

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And it was like, I was

breathing into my left thumb.

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Uh, and breathing light into my left

thumb, breathing light into my left, you

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know, pointer finger, another deep breath,

and I go through all my fingers, into

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my hand, into my body, through my whole

body, just turning my body into this light

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state and I found the sleep that I got

was, I got so much more from that and I'd

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wake up instead of just having two cents

worth of energy, I'd have eight cents.

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So, each, each time I got sleep, I

dipped further into doing breathwork

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that increased the quality of my

sleep and um, sleep is something

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that you call a universal lever.

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There's things that you can do to that

improve the one thing that you can do

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that improves everything in your life

and sleep is, uh is one of those things.

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Um, and so I noticed that when.

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I started getting my own

energy back up and running.

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Uh,

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I then started having this abundance.

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So I started investing in some extra

exercise and it's not like we weren't

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busy, but I'd wake up, I'd do some

pushups and sit ups, lift some ammo

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crates, and then I was good for my day.

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But then I noticed, uh, that I could be

having a good day, but I was in a team.

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So if my team was having a

bad day, I'm having a bad day.

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So I had to generate enough energy,

not just for myself, but to invest

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in my team, because who did I want

around me when good times turn bad?

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You know, I wanted, you know,

strong, connected, less fatigued,

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you know, men and it didn't matter

if I liked them or hated them, it

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was in my best interest to have them

functioning at their a hundred percent.

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So breathwork started this chain

of events this really subtle,

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just improving quality of sleep.

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And then that led to the next thing,

the next thing, the next thing.

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Um, and, and now I've got

a company because of it.

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And obviously there's a few things

that's happened, you know, from

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that, but I hope that answers your

question where it all came from.

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Mike: Yeah, for sure.

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No, thanks so much for explaining that.

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It's, it's really interesting.

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It's fascinating, really.

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I mean, as you're describing

that whole process, you know, a

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number of things came to mind.

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And one of them was this whole, this whole

kind of spontaneous and in the moment

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discovery of these techniques, you know,

the, the aspect of the, the, the body scan

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kind of activity that, that you've kind of

in a way stumbled on, but really have have

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kind of captured that whole notion of, of

focusing in on, you know, very, in a very

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kind of mindful way, you know, focusing

in on just aspects of, of awareness of

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the body, focusing the attention on the

body and then the breath um, and then

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not only that, but also just kind of

parlaying that right in the moment or

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shortly thereafter to really complex, um,

kinds of considerations in terms of, you

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know, optimizing teamwork and optimizing

performance in high stress situations.

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Really interesting.

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Super fascinating.

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Um, yeah.

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Tim: Mike, what I just, what I was

discovering back then, um, and I'm sure

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you know about it and a lot of your

listeners mightn't, but the, the PNS,

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the parasympathetic nervous system, and

for me, it was, I didn't know the name

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of it, but I just noticed if I could get

that under control, it's like everything

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worked out like without fail um, and the

Chinese have got a saying they've been

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saying for thousands of years "Control

your breath control everything" and I want

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to I want to give you a lived experience

of controlling the parasympathetic

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nervous system but I just got it.

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I just got to close a

window here one second.

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Yeah.

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Yeah go for it.

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100 percent Yeah, So

parasympathetic nervous system.

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And, uh,

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if, so one thing I do is I'll work

with research bodies to take the

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academia talk and translate it into,

um, you know, the common man talk,

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you know, these guys often, you know,

operate in a, in a, in a stratosphere

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that most people don't know about,

but if they want to get real results,

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they need to be able to translate it.

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So I've, I've worked with, um, very

successfully, some research bodies here

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in Australia, Gallipoli medical research.

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Uh, and I've been the guy to

take translate the academia

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into, into real life application.

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Uh, and we've been, um, I would

have some incredible outcomes

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because of those collaborations.

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Uh, um, Fun fact about me, I'm dyslexic,

so I struggle to read and write.

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Um, but back in the seventies,

the official, um, diagnosis for

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dyslexia is you're stupid, you know,

uh, and you, and you get told that

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enough, you, you start believing it.

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my pattern recognition is in

the, in the top percentile.

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Uh, and before I knew about this

parasympathetic nervous system, I just

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knew that if there was a part of me that

was in control, everything worked out.

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And, you know, The, the breath

has everything to do with that.

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and the, the supporting research around

that, I think I saw it in frontiers in

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human neuroscientists, it shows that,

um, breath work is mass impacts on stress

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reduction, uh, lowers cortisol levels,

comes overactive stress responses,

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you know, it gives you mental clarity,

enhances your neuroplasticity, uh,

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enhances your focus and restorative sleep.

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Uh, now those are just words on the paper,

but I want to give a lived experience

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where stress reduction, neuroplasticity

and focus came in handy and it happened

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in 2009, uh, on deployment in Afghanistan.

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We'd just gotten cut off.

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We were heading into an RPG ambush,

a rocket propelled grenade ambush.

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And, uh, in that situation, Dr.

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Mike, we have the heavily armored vehicles

put to the rear of the convoy because

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the rear vehicle's the least defended.

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So it's always the one

that's attacked, right?

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And we were just in a four wheel

drive with the roof cut off.

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So all the heavily armored vehicles

were told to go to the rear.

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But in the, in the rush before this,

uh, we hit the, uh, the kill box or the,

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uh, this rocket repel grenade ambush, we

got cut off by this, uh, heavily armored

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vehicle, and we were the rear vehicle in

the convoy and we're heading into this.

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My, my vehicle commander, um, looked

back at us and said, fellas, if

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this goes the way I think it will,

it's been an honor serving with you.

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So, you know, when we talk about stress,

um, and, you know, emotional regulation,

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I had, it's like my brain went to mush.

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I couldn't think.

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I had no creative thoughts.

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No, certainly no neuroplasticity.

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Um, my focus was gone.

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All I was focused on

was I was angry as hell.

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At this guy cutting us off because

in my mind he was trying to save

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his own ass and and there I was

envisioning my own ramp ceremony.

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Okay a ramp ceremony is where uh, you know

you have the coffin of the fallen soldier

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or defense person covered in the flag and

you're carrying them down the ramp and I

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saw my own ramp ceremony I saw you know,

my wife crying my kids crying and I'm like

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all because this A-hole cut us off, right?

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So my brain just shut down.

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But then something happened.

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I asked myself this question,

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Tim, who do you know has done this

before and how did they get through it?

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And the fact was, I didn't

actually know anyone.

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I, uh, Australia seemed so far

away and the night got darker

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and I began to feel very alone.

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But then I started thinking outside my

own timeline and I thought, well, you

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know what, I do know some people who

are on a night as dark as this came

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up against an enemy waiting for them.

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Now in Australia we have the Anzacs, uh,

you know, these men on, uh, Gallipoli Cove

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went up this beach with the Turk Turkish

defenders embedded in waiting for them.

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Mike: Right, right.

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That, that was what the movie

Gallipoli is based on, right?

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Mm-hmm

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Tim: And with, with, and most, and, and, and I just thought,

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what did those guys do?

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They just kept moving forward, you

know, despite hardships, despite an

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enemy waiting for them, you know,

the outside world could not stop them

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from seeing the power inside of them,

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Mike: Mm hmm

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Tim: You know, and it was like, um,

I mean, most of those guys are dead.

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They're not just that there's over

100 years ago, but it was like they

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were there with me in that moment.

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It's like this sort of portal in

time opened up and on Anzac Day

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here in Australia, we say, lest

we forget, lest we forget the, the

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sacrifices of those gone before it.

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But it's like these Anzac came

through this portal, poked me in the

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chest says, Tim, lest you forget.

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You know, lest you forget

the power inside of you.

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Lest you forget, look, you know, look at

the power of looking after your mates.

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And then I just took this huge breath.

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It was like the first breath I've ever

taken and my whole body lit up, you know,

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and then all this brain function, all

this neuroplasticity started kicking in.

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I'm like, okay, we're traveling

at 35 kilometers an hour.

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We're in a, we're hitting an RPG

ambush, RPG self destruct at:

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meters or about, you know, 1800 yards.

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Uh, so they're probably going

to be shooting at us, uh,

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between eight and 1200 meters.

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And so we're going to be in the

kill box for about three to five

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minutes by my guesstimation.

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Like all these, all these

functions started kicking in

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because I just controlled the

parasympathetic nervous system.

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I could slow my own system down and

I could actually think And then I'm

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like, well, and, and then it was like

my vascular system jumped out in front

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of me and I saw it like a street map.

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I saw the blood going down from

my heart to my legs, my arms.

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And then I'm like, you know,

the only thing I need to

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keep pressure on is my brain.

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That's the only bit of

critical kit here is my brain.

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So.

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Um, if I look, you know, I'm not

going to worry about getting shot.

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I'm going to worry about

like something exploding.

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So if I lose a limb, I've just

got a hose clamp it and keep

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positive pressure to my brain.

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Um, so I got two tourniquets

and I put them on my chest.

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Because I obviously need to be ready

to do that for, you know, my brothers

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in the vehicle and I thought, well,

even if I do bleed out and die,

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the brothers here with me are going

to revive me with a saline drip.

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You know, so there was a lot of trust

in that, in that, um, in that vehicle

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and that sort of control of my own

nervous system, it's like it took the

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tourniquet off my overreaction and

made me think above the situation.

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It was just incredible.

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Um, To the point where we're

about to hit the kill box.

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And I'm like, you know what, they might

find my body in five minutes time.

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But you know what, they're not going

to find magazines full of bullets.

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I'm expending all ammunition on this one.

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And then I'm like, Tim,

that's not a bad way to live.

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Whether you die in five minutes or 50

years time, you know, expend it all.

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Your, your magazine

contained simple bullets.

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You know, but your mind, you know, your

mind, Mike, everyone's listening here.

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Mind contains something so much more

powerful than bullets, ideas, thoughts,

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dreams, you know, why die with all

those things still in your head?

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Um, and it was, it was, That little

journey that made me realize that pretty

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much anything is possible if you can,

as they, as the ancient Chinese say,

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"Control your breath, control everything".

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Mike: Mm hmm.

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Mm hmm.

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100%.

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That is such a fascinating story.

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I mean, it really does cement this whole

fascinating notion of that, as you say,

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you know, the parasympathetic drive and

the focus of the attention under those,

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you know, extreme circumstances, how your

attention was focused, but yet how all

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of that kind of, you know, it's almost

as though, you know, far be it for me to

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suggest that maybe there is some, some

kind of a spiritual component to it, but

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it's almost as though when, when you're

in a situation like that, and by the way,

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you know, um, and I always try to sit,

you know, impress this upon any, any of

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my patients that are veterans and I would

have to say that, of course, we all owe

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you a great debt for your service and I

try and impress upon my kids that, you

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know, my generation, their generation are

lucky to not have to, you know, be kind of

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called, you know, forcefully into service

but, you know, if that's something that

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they'd be interested in doing voluntarily,

I'd be very supportive but again, just as

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a side note, thank you for your service in

that in that regard, but, but yeah, just

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the focus of the intensity of the moment

and bringing bringing that into awareness

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and having all of that, that rich cultural

and national history kind of behind you

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and kind of guiding your thoughts and

how, yeah, how you've translated that

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in the meantime into generosity and

abundance, as you talk a lot about in

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your book, you know, in terms of trying

to parlay the lessons that you've learned

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in these experiences into helping others

and to promoting health and wellness.

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So yeah, super interesting and in

particular this idea of sleep because

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100 percent I agree with you that sleep

is such a foundational Issue that I

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think, you know, and the research is

pointing in this direction certainly in

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terms of mental health that disrupted

sleep really can set off a cascade of

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problems that can in turn then lead to

a lot of mental health disorders So,

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you know while it used to be kind of

considered that sleep disruption was

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more of a symptom of things like clinical

depression, more recent research is kind

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of looking at it in the other direction

saying, well, you know, disrupted

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sleep can actually be a risk factor

for things like clinical depression.

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So, you know, I would really, I think,

you know, in the audience and we would

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really be interested in understanding

more about how, how you did, you know,

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the process of your connecting the dots

between, you know, better sleep and its

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impact on, you know, the breath work

and the neurological health and, and all

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that you're doing now to promote, you

know, mental health and wellness in the

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people that you present your program to.

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Tim: Yeah.

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Well, look, Dr.

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Mike, everything you said

there is true because

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poor sleep is like a petri dish

for everything bad in your head.

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Okay.

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Perfect environment for

all the bad stuff to grow.

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Um, and it's, we weaponize

sleep in the special forces.

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So we would actively deny our enemy

sleep because we knew if we could take

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out their sleep for three nights, it

would mess them up better than a bullet.

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And then I come to my, and, and, and

I want to sort of dovetail into this,

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that ambush experience, um, I noticed

that my brain didn't work when I

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felt completely alone and I was tied

up in my own thoughts and emotions.

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How dare that person do that to me?

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and I'm going to layer in two

different things here, the sense

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of isolation and the lack of sleep.

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I often, they often are

found in the same places.

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Uh, so when people feel connected,

like Mike, if you knew I had your back

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100 percent and you knew it, right?

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And I knew you, you had my back 100%.

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Like everything else

is a very small detail.

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You know, we're, we're social mammals.

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We're meant to feel this sort of

connection, this sort of tribe

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that's got our back around us.

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Um, but if we don't have that,

then everything's a threat

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because everything is a threat.

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I can't drop my guard for a second because

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go into self protect mode.

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into self protect mode.

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And so it's these two factors that

aren't really on the spreadsheet.

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So I, I, I'm, I'm going to circle back,

but I just want to sort of share that

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those two factors that aren't really

on the spreadsheet, addressing those

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two things helped me achieve my, I had

a lifetime goal of saving 40 veteran

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lives from suicide, and I didn't care

if it took me the rest of my life that

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was achieved within 12 months because

I simply broke someone's isolation.

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and people have 95 percent of

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everything they need inside of them.

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isolated, like I was when I was cut

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off and how dare that mofo cut us

off and I'm going to die because,

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and I got all dramatic in my head.

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once that isolation was broken.

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People know where they need to go, but

then also getting them out of fatigue.

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So those two little factors, um,

are super important when it comes to

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having the person go inside themselves

and see all the resources they need.

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They have, uh, and it's, it's surprisingly

how little people need when they

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get exactly what they really want,

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we would weaponize sleep because we knew

if we took it out for three nights, it

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would mess them up better than a bullet.

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I come back to my home country

and I see that there's so

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many people sleeping poorly.

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There's no visible enemy.

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But the thing about tactics

in war is you have to discover

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your enemy's center of gravity.

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as simple as sleep, right?

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they get off centered and they're more

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worried about the stuff going on outside

of them than what's going inside of them.

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Uh, and when I get back to, you know,

the Western world, I noticed that our

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center of gravity as I've observed it

is our sense of self worth and our sense

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of self worth is always being attacked

by saying look you don't have any value

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underneath your own skin for you to be

valuable you need to have this in your

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life you can't be happy if you don't

have that you know you need a certain

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sneakers or you know car or all these

different things and you're you're not a

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worthwhile person if you don't have these

things there's no value inside of you,

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um, And I'm like, that's pretty clever.

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If you can put someone into fatigue,

they're going to consume more crap.

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If you're going to attack their sense

of their center of gravity, which is, as

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I've observed our sense of self worth.

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be more likely to believe that, Oh yes,

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I do need to spend money on those shoes

or that car house, whatever it is.

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Um, and it's, it's not until you come up

against a chronic, okay, I'll own this.

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It wasn't until I came across, came when

I was in my own PDSD that I realized that,

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um, we're not in an age of information.

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We are in the age of marketing.

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good at speaking the unspoken

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words inside your heart.

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Oh my gosh, that's exactly what I need.

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And look at all these happy people

saying that it works for them.

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Shut up and take my money.

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Mike: And

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Tim: what a marketer will do

because a marketer wants your money.

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It doesn't want to improve you.

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That's a very different set of goalposts.

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So they'll take dollars out of your

pocket and put you into an early grave.

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saying I couldn't sleep to a doctor.

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No one told me that breath work could

control my parasympathetic nervous system.

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Put me into the best sleep ever control

my chronic pain, alkalize my, my body

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and mind might help me wake up in the

morning feeling amazing, but no, I

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lost six years of my life and no one

told me the cost of taking the pills.

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I just said, no one told me that.

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like I think I lost a lot of time.

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Like I don't have a lot of

memories, you know, and I

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think I lost a lot of memories.

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I was at a friend's place.

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It scared the hell out of me.

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I said, this place looks familiar.

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And then he looked at

me like I was stupid.

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And he says, Tim, you

helped me move in here.

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And that really shocked me.

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I'm like, how many memories have I lost?

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And then getting off of these

pills, they don't tell you just

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how hard it is to get off of them.

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Um, if you want to feel, if you

want to turn a second into a minute,

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you know, and a minute into an

hour and an hour into a whole week.

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Coming off these things and

the pain and discomfort you

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feel like it is, it is no joke.

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And I don't think they, they, they're

so E they're so quick to give them

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to you and they don't really tell

you the cost of taking them and

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how hard it is to get off of them.

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But the point I'm trying

to make here is marketers.

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First six pages of Google marketers.

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So you really have to turn your

seeker self on, uh, to find a

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healer because he was on as obvious.

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Um, and what, but what a healer will

do is they know that they're human.

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They know that their energy is not

enough for two people, but they are

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connected to something very powerful.

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And it might've taken them 10

years to create, to master that

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connection that they have, but they

can do it for you in far less time.

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And.

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And they're, and they're happy

with their own redundancy.

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Okay.

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A marketer always wants a resale.

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Once you subscribing to more and

more product, um, but a healer

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will connect you to something.

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And, and in my experience, a healer has

to be like a good deed is its own reward.

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Um, Because I've noticed if you're, if

you, if you're a healer and you really

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connect somebody into something powerful,

it's like they've always been like that.

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They were never in the dark.

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They were never disempowered.

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This is just the way life is now.

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The lights are on and I'm seeing clearly.

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So, so, yeah.

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If you are a healer, don't expect much.

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Thanks.

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My other, in my experience, you've

only two to 3 percent of people

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actually go, I saw what you did.

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I appreciate it.

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Thank you so much.

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You know what I mean?

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So it's a, it's a, it can be a

bit of a thankless job, but you're

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not doing it for the thanks.

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Uh, and it's not as monetized, uh, as

say some of the more easily accessible,

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um, Uh, modalities that are on offer.

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So the good news and bad news

about create your healing journey.

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The good news is when you find

the right healer, healing takes

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far less time than you think.

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The bad news is you will spend most of

your time searching for the right healer.

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Okay.

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Uh, and not all healers are born equal.

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Um, in fact, some of them, some of them,

I think just make it worse, you know, um,

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so many times I've had, uh, veterans say,

look, I tried to get help and I'm mindful

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that you're a psychologist as well.

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Uh, Dr.

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Mike.

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Yeah.

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Not all psychologists are born equal.

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Yeah.

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And, and some of them, I think

they've worked so hard to

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get that degree on the wall.

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They want to justify what they've learned.

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So when they're in the room

with somebody, they're thinking,

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well, here's what I've learned.

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I've got to now justify the fact that

I've worked really hard for seven

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years and see that it works here.

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And now, um, And.

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Often when someone reaches out for help

and they have a bad experience, they'll

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go, nah, I'm never going to do that again.

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Uh, and they'll, they'll self isolate,

you know, veterans are particularly

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good at dropping off the map and just

disappearing because in our isolation,

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we can, we can justify everything.

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I tangented there a bit, but I hope

that sort of gives you the guts of

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what I was trying to communicate.

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Mike: Yeah, I know for sure.

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I appreciate that.

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I mean, and I'm, I'm the first to,

you know, admit that, you know, I

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think my, my profession has a lot of

faults in terms of, you know, I think

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there's, there's a lot of, I would call

institutional capture with, Terms like

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the pharmaco industrial complex and

the way that, you know, I think it's

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pretty clear that, you know, everything

from, you know, getting research

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funding to, you know, drug trials,

how they're designed and conducted.

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I think it lends itself to the training

that we go through in terms of, you

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know, what, what we would recommend

for patients in terms of medications.

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And, you know, it's complicated, you know,

in terms of things like a lot of people.

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You know, in countries like Canada that

has universal health care, you know,

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the biases toward prescribing medication

because maybe someone, um, you know,

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doesn't have coverage that would allow

them to go and see a psychologist or

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get the counseling that they might

otherwise get if they could afford it.

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There's all these different

considerations that create a

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situation that's totally not ideal.

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Um, and so for sure, 100%.

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And I think coming back to, you know,

first principles thinking and looking at.

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The importance of foundational, um,

things like sleep is super important.

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It's, it's interesting because just

not only, you know, a week or so ago,

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a colleague, friend of mine, um, also

a physician was, was asking me, you

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know, because many of my patients are

seniors, he was actually asking me

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for advice on his dad, who was having

trouble with sleep, you know, his dad's

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probably in his seventies or eighties.

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And, you know, honestly, I was at a bit

of a loss because the reflex in my mind

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was, well, medication, but then, you

know, for someone that age, in a way,

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that's the last thing that you want to

have them on is a another medication

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and a sedating medication at that.

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So, you know, we explored some other

things, but again, it is the, the Western

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medical reflexes to prescribe pills and,

you know, and I'm sorry to hear that,

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that that was a, you know, a problem.

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bad experience for you.

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And I've certainly heard over and over

again, how, you know, these sedative

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hypnotic medications can really, um,

you know, be a very, very kind of a

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destructive sort of path for a lot of

people who are, who are looking, as you

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say, spending all this energy looking

for a healer and kind of getting lost

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in this sort of maze of of what Western

medicine has on offer, which is often

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the exact opposite of what people

need, you know, so, and I mean, I was

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just gonna, it actually segues really

well, because Again, coming back to

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your book and the specific methods,

you know, understanding how many people

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struggle with insomnia and, you know,

in particular this racing kind of

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thinking at night where they, the busy

brain syndrome, they can't turn their,

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their worries and their thoughts off.

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I think it would be super interesting if

you're able to explain how your particular

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approach to breathwork techniques like

the 478 method, how that you know, your

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experience in developing that and how

that works to kind of quiet people's

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overthinking mind and prepare them to, you

know, enter into a more of a natural kind

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of deep restorative kind of sleep pattern.

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Tim: Yeah.

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Look,

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science is starting to catch up

to, you know, there's now data

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around the four, seven, eight,

but there's the yogic pranayama.

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Uh, there's even this moon breathing.

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Um, but there's, there's an underlying

principle that People need to understand

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that once they understand they see

why breath work is so powerful, but

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I'm also going to tell you why there's

two, there's also two big reasons

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why most people aren't doing it.

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So I'll just explain why it's so powerful.

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One of which is, and this dovetails

nicely into the fact that psychologists,

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as much as I studied for seven years,

they haven't figured out that the

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trauma that people experience goes down

deeper than words can reach at times.

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Okay, so it's like, you know, they've

got a rifle that shoots 200 yards

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and the targets 400 yards away.

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Yeah, they're shooting in the

right direction, but they're

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not actually getting to the

depth of where the trauma is.

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Um, the thing about

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breathwork, if you think of us as, as

living organisms that have evolved, before

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we were thinking, before we were sentient,

before we put in sort of paintings on

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rock walls, you know, we were breathing.

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Before we were speaking, had the

power to talk, we were breathing.

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And that deep ancient wiring

lives inside of us still.

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And it actually outranks your

thinking mind and your speaking mouth.

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And

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the re, two reasons why people don't do

it is A, no one's making money from it.

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Okay.

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Like I said that the loudest

voices in the room, uh, marketers

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and when someone's hurting, they

just go, what's going to solve it?

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That's the loudest voice.

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I want Superman to come in and

swoop in and solve this thing.

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And that's what they offer.

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Okay.

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And, and sometimes it's the lesser of

two evils, but it does come at a cost.

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Um, so what was I going to say?

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I got a bit lost there.

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Yeah.

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So, so the other reason why people don't

do it is think of your mind like a garden.

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Whatever your water grows.

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And for years I was watering

the weeds of stress.

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Okay.

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And to paint the picture.

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So I'd, I'd worked in the veteran

space, um, had incredible results.

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Uh, but then I got divorced and there

was a whole new war zone in my head.

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You know, I was, I was in my forties.

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I'd, uh, lost my money, my house,

my home, regular access to my kids.

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Um, had a car, my dog, and I was

sleeping on the, in the lounge

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room of my, my parents place.

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You can imagine at 3 a.

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m.

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all these thoughts going through

my head and as much as I was a

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breathwork coach and I knew that

breathwork would calm my racing mind.

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It's like I couldn't do it because

those stress weeds, I've been watering

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the weeds of stress in my head, right?

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And those weeds grow and grow and

grow until eyeballs pop out of their

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head and they become sentient, okay?

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They know the things that you do that

feed them and they know the things

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that you do that starve them, okay?

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It shows up a bit like before you

go to the gym There's a part of you

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that says, Oh, I don't want to do it.

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Let's do it later.

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Okay.

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They're the disempowered parts knowing

that if you go to the gym and you work

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out and you feel powerful, they're gone,

they've kicked out and no longer existing.

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So they, they scream the loudest.

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Before they get kicked out.

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So there I was 3 a.

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m.

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The stress weeds were running

the show and loving it.

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And it's, even though I knew I was

supposed to breathe, it's like I couldn't.

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And I was about, and I got up and

I was about to do self harm in

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some way, shape, or form, you know,

alcohol pills, whatever it was.

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But then I looked at my left thumb.

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I says, Tim, you can take one

breath, just take one effing breath.

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And I drove it into my chest

as hard as I couldn't wait.

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Okay, this works, this works,

two breaths, two breaths, and I

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put two fingers into my chest.

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I took two breaths, three, this is

working, this is working, three, get

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to five, get to five, and then I,

you know, driving a finger in at a

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time, I got to ten, and then somewhere

between 15 and 25, those stress weeds

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were uprooted and kicked out, and the

rest of my brain said, thank goodness

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you kicked those mofos out of there.

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Okay, this is working, don't stop.

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So breathwork works because it

outranks your thinking mind, but

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your thinking mind, especially at

3am is used to being in control and

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it doesn't want to Release that and

breathing is both a voluntary thing,

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uh, involuntary and voluntary thing.

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You can focus on your breathing, but

you also do it without focusing on it.

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So the reason I created, you

know, breath work in bed was

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to have a coached experience.

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If you want to get to sleep, if you want

to wake up in the morning, you know, you

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just You know, you're on a breathwork

buffet, you hit what you want, and it

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tells you to breathe a certain way.

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And trust me when I say, you will

say, this is BS, it doesn't work.

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But then somewhere between breath 15 and

25, your neural pathways get alkalized and

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you start going, oh my gosh, here it is.

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Because most people don't know

for years, like I didn't know, I

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was watering the weeds of stress.

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It was just normal.

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So, uh, breathwork.

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is powerful, but it

does need to be guided.

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Otherwise you tend to lose, um, you

know, the, the track of it and the, the

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science is starting to catch up to it.

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Uh, and I do want to allocate some time at

the end so we can have a lived experience.

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Um, but I hope that answers your question.

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Mike: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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100%.

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I mean, I love the, the,

the imagery, the metaphor.

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I think it's very, you know, apt, and

I think it really helps, you know, to

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illustrate exactly, you know, what that

kind of experience is like mentally

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and how that connection, you know, with

the breath and with the, again, the

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attention, the focus of the attention

and the intentional, the focus of the

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attention and the intentional all.

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control of the thought and regulation of

the breath in order to calm the emotion.

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I think it's brilliant for sure.

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I mean, I, I mean, I think it is, um,

would you, what do you think would be

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most helpful for listeners and viewers

who aren't familiar with your program?

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Um, do you think it would be help, most

helpful to talk more about the actual

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application of the 478 You know, method

in bed or and or the breath work for

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waking the morning routine or both.

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I mean, I'll leave it up to you

as to what you think would be

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Tim: most useful.

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Everything I do, Dr.

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Mike, is, is, it's got to pass

a, pass a P test, alright?

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Three P's.

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Ex military, I love my acronyms.

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It's got to be powerful, it's

got to be positive, but it's

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also got to be permanent.

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So permanency of the message is,

is, to me, the truest indicator

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that you're adding value to people.

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Because there's all these powerful

and positive circuses that come to

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town, people love it when you're

there, but who are they the next

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day, a week later, a year later?

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So my intention with with our

interaction is to create permanency.

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So I'm going to I'd love to show you

and your listeners something that if

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they start using you're going to be

able to use for the rest of your life.

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It's not.

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Like the the dart there is research around

the four seven eight the box breathing

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the moon breathing But because this is

you and me talking I want to show you tim

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thomas's private stash for uh breath work

and self regulation Um, it's worked for

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me and it's worked for many other veterans

and i'd love to show it to you now

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Mike: Yeah, I think that's fantastic.

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Yep fire away.

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That sounds great

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Tim: So, the only caveat to

this is you just need to be

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seated in a, in a safe place.

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Uh, don't be driving, operating,

operating heavy machinery,

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don't be cutting up carrots.

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You want to be able to really

focus and connect with your breath.

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Um, and like I said, breath work

isn't the only thing hard about it.

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is because we've been breathing

a certain way our whole lives.

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It's like you're, you're born,

you breathe, but then everyone

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sort of gets taught to limp and

everyone's limping and everyone,

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and, and it's just normal, right?

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So for you to walk normally,

it's quite an adjustment.

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So I'm, I'm going to structure this

to make it, to make this new way

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of breathing as easy as possible.

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So all we're going to do to start with is

in a seated comfortable position or laying

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down, just breathe in and let it go.

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Now breathe in.

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And then breathe in again, and

again, and again, and again.

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Notice that little bit of extra space

that opens up, and just let that go.

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Okay, so we'll call your first breath

your primary inhale and when you

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breathe in again and again and again

That's your secondary inhale So let's

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let's try and smooth this together.

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:

Let's breathe in and then breathe

in again and again and again

703

:

And just let that go Good stuff.

704

:

All right, so you've got your

primary and your secondary now

705

:

what a lot of people don't know is

If you pinch your thumb, uh, Dr.

706

:

Mike, is this going to be a

video podcast or just audio?

707

:

Mike: Yeah, we got both audio and video.

708

:

Tim: So people with the video,

look at the demonstration.

709

:

I'll try and articulate as best I

can for those listening to audio.

710

:

So you're going to be, What you don't

know is in your fingers, uh, you

711

:

have a power button, your thumb, your

pointer finger, and your index finger.

712

:

If you pinch them together, that gives

you a bit of power in your breath.

713

:

So what we're going to do is

we're going to breathe in.

714

:

And when it comes to the secondary

inhale, the secondary inhale, we're

715

:

going to pinch our thumb into our

two fingers as hard as we can.

716

:

Okay.

717

:

So we're just going to be breathing in.

718

:

Then we're going to hit that turbo button.

719

:

and breathe into that secondary one.

720

:

So you ready?

721

:

Breathe in, and then hit

those, hit that turbo button,

722

:

pinch it together when

you're at that turbo button,

723

:

and let it go.

724

:

So let's just try that again.

725

:

Blow it out, and then when you

start breathing in, halfway through,

726

:

hit those, hit that power button,

727

:

and just let that go.

728

:

Now, did you notice that when you pinched

your fingers together, it sort of gave you

729

:

a bit of a boost for your secondary Yeah,

730

:

Mike: yeah.

731

:

Definitely.

732

:

Tim: Okay.

733

:

Great.

734

:

So now we're going to

juice that up even more.

735

:

So these two power buttons that

you've got, think of your chin

736

:

and it's a triangle, right?

737

:

So what we're going to do is when it comes

to the secondary inhale, we're going to

738

:

try and make that triangle really big.

739

:

So we're going to raise our chin.

740

:

Look at the ceiling.

741

:

Okay.

742

:

Pull those two power buttons away

and breathe in as much as possible.

743

:

I'll give you a little demonstration.

744

:

So it's like you blow it out, breathe in

745

:

and really raise that chin, raise

that chest as you hit those power

746

:

buttons for your secondary inhale.

747

:

Give that a try.

748

:

So blow it all the way out.

749

:

I encourage everyone to blow it out.

750

:

And then when you're ready,

breathing in, hit the power

751

:

buttons, look to the ceiling.

752

:

Hold it up there, wriggle it around,

wriggle your shoulders back and forth,

753

:

wriggle your shoulders back and forth,

feel how good it is to open up that

754

:

space and let it out with a sigh.

755

:

Mike: Wow.

756

:

Yeah.

757

:

Yeah.

758

:

Fantastic.

759

:

No, that's great.

760

:

And yeah.

761

:

And for, for folks who are just listening

and not watching, you know, it's really

762

:

that emphasis on the, the stretching out

of the, maybe Tim, if you don't mind just

763

:

describing that for the people that are

just listening, let's do it one more time.

764

:

Tim: What we're going

to do is we're going to.

765

:

pinch our fingers.

766

:

We're going to raise our chin and

think of between your chin and

767

:

your fingers as a triangle, right?

768

:

Right.

769

:

And when it comes to that

secondary inhale, you want to

770

:

stretch open that triangle.

771

:

Like you're trying to pull it

up over your chin, over your

772

:

chest and hold that position.

773

:

So we're going to do that again.

774

:

So just blow it all the way out.

775

:

If you're listening,

blow it all the way out,

776

:

start breathing in, have your power ready

and hit your buttons, raise your chin.

777

:

Look at the ceiling.

778

:

Look at the ceiling.

779

:

Open your chest.

780

:

Now hold that wriggle it feel yourself

stretching out that upper chest wriggle

781

:

your shoulders wriggle your shoulders

Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle, and then

782

:

with a delicious sigh, let it out.

783

:

Mike: Fantastic.

784

:

That's a hundred percent.

785

:

That's wonderful.

786

:

You know, that whole idea of just

expanding the lungs, you know,

787

:

often we'll explain to my kids,

you know, if we're working out or

788

:

something and they're feeling lazy

and they're losing their breath.

789

:

And I'll say, you really think about.

790

:

I want to be thinking about breathing

right into the very bottom of your

791

:

back, you know, because that's where

the anatomy of the lungs actually goes,

792

:

extends all the way back down there.

793

:

You want to expand all that up, right?

794

:

So that technique, it strikes me

that does exactly that, right?

795

:

You're just opening, you know,

again, it's, it's this whole kind of

796

:

interface between the physical and the

psychological and the spiritual, right?

797

:

It's this opening of posture,

opening of intention.

798

:

Super interesting.

799

:

Tim: Well, yes.

800

:

Thanks.

801

:

And we're only halfway through it.

802

:

You're going to love it.

803

:

Mike: Fantastic.

804

:

All right, well, let's go.

805

:

Tim: That stretching open, you know,

raising the chin, opening the chest.

806

:

Um, think of your, your

nerves, like a bunch of hoses.

807

:

Okay.

808

:

And when you pinch a hose, you've

got less water running out.

809

:

Okay.

810

:

So when we're hunched over, we're

basically pinching off our power.

811

:

So when we open up proper breathing

gives you proper alignment.

812

:

So what we're going to do right now I

just want to discuss here this top, divide

813

:

your lungs into three, your top third,

your middle third, your bottom third.

814

:

So we just focused our breath into

our top third, our secondary inhale.

815

:

Um, I call this the breath of possibility.

816

:

When I start, I noticed that when I've got

crap in my head that I don't want there,

817

:

I'll naturally start leaning forward.

818

:

Okay, almost protecting myself things

get harder because things are harder when

819

:

I'm pinching off my own power So when

I and I'll do this in public if there's

820

:

stuff in my head, I don't want there I

use my fingers and I do it discreetly

821

:

I'll have you know finger in my pocket

or by my side and I will use these

822

:

these little turbo buttons where I'm

pinching my thumb into my two fingers

823

:

as a Thank you As a circuit breaker.

824

:

So I'll take, I'll breathe

into this breath of possibility

825

:

and I'll really snort it.

826

:

Okay.

827

:

Like flare my nostrils and snort.

828

:

Um, because.

829

:

I wrap it inhale into this top third.

830

:

My experience of it is it, it

makes what's impossible possible.

831

:

Okay.

832

:

So, and, and often my thoughts need

a, a, a physiological interruption.

833

:

So I pinch my fingers together

and that interrupts it.

834

:

And I focus on that.

835

:

Okay.

836

:

It's like it's the, the, the

breath I'm coming up for air and

837

:

I've been underwater for a while.

838

:

Cause that's what it feels like when

I'm hunched over a negative thoughts, my

839

:

breathing gets shallower and shallower.

840

:

So having that Pinch of

my fingers forcing me up.

841

:

It's one activity that we can actively,

uh, bring into our day and layer

842

:

into, um, our, our daily existence.

843

:

So, um, people ask me how often, how,

when I show them this technique, they

844

:

say, how often should I do this technique?

845

:

I said, well, when I was on pills,

I didn't just have pills in the

846

:

medicine cabinet, I had it in my

cupboard, in my car, in my glove box,

847

:

in the fruit bowl, you know, stashed

in all different areas because I

848

:

was always trying to self regulate.

849

:

So this little technique

for me is my self regulator.

850

:

So whenever you feel like you want to

get a better level of normal tap into

851

:

this and you'll be very surprised if

we've only gone through half of it.

852

:

But I just want to speak to this part here

because this alignment, this breadth of

853

:

possibility is something that you can,

you can literally use straight away.

854

:

So you So, we're going to, like I said,

we're going to juice this up even more

855

:

by when we breathe in, I want you to

really sort of suck hard, not, it's

856

:

not, it's not going to be a slow inhale.

857

:

It's going to be quite a, a rapid nostril

flaring suck as we drive our fingers

858

:

into our thumbs and we raise our chest,

almost like we're trying to lift a heavy

859

:

weight, but we're pulling that air in.

860

:

And so this is going to be a

little more rapid on this inhale.

861

:

Okay.

862

:

So, we're ready for this.

863

:

Let's just blow it all out.

864

:

Breathing in.

865

:

Now, rapidly squeeze and raise the chin.

866

:

Snort the nostril through

all through the nose.

867

:

All through the nose.

868

:

You want to sort of hear that nose.

869

:

Okay.

870

:

Wriggle it around.

871

:

Feel how good it is to push that

possibility around the place.

872

:

And then let it out with a nice sigh.

873

:

Louder, the better.

874

:

Uh, nice

875

:

Mike: one.

876

:

Yeah, that's fantastic.

877

:

Tim: So one thing my coach always

taught me, and I don't know if this

878

:

is true or not, um, was that before

I executed a, uh, a combination, he'd

879

:

always tell me to snort through my nose,

like a real snorting, violent inhale.

880

:

Cause he said that it sucked.

881

:

This air through the

sinuses into your brain.

882

:

It's like it prepped your brain for

for action, whether that's true or not.

883

:

There is a very powerful application

in that rapid inhale through the

884

:

nose and then opening up the posture.

885

:

Now, Mike, I did watch your technique.

886

:

I think you were.

887

:

Were you breathing in through your

nose or your mouth in that last one?

888

:

Initially,

889

:

Mike: it was through my mouth.

890

:

And that's by by nature.

891

:

I'm a mouth.

892

:

breather.

893

:

And as I mentioned earlier, and we were

chatting, you know, with having read

894

:

James Nestor's book, Breathe, and I've

become a big fan of nasal breathing.

895

:

And, you know, I sometimes will

recommend to patients to try the

896

:

yogic pranayama type breathing

with alternating nostril breathing.

897

:

And I sometimes will do that myself.

898

:

So I love the accessibility, you know,

of the additional features, you know,

899

:

that you've, I've developed here with

like the, the turbo boost and the

900

:

trigger points, but yeah, maybe if you

don't mind, walk me through it again,

901

:

Tim: we're going to close our mouths

and, and, and breathe in rapidly, but

902

:

flare your nostrils all the way out,

out, out, out, get those nostrils ready.

903

:

And then really.

904

:

as rapidly as you can

suck it through your nose

905

:

and just wriggle it around,

wriggle it, wriggle it, wriggle it.

906

:

And when you feel that sigh

wanting to come out of your

907

:

mouth, let it out with a hum.

908

:

Mike: Nice.

909

:

Nice.

910

:

That's awesome.

911

:

Tim: All right.

912

:

So we've got the breath

of possibility nailed.

913

:

Okay.

914

:

Using your, your, your nostrils,

your, your rapid inhale, your, your,

915

:

your power up buttons and your chin.

916

:

That's awesome.

917

:

Okay.

918

:

Now we're going to Push that

to your breath of peace.

919

:

So your breath of possibilities, your

top third, your middle, and your lower

920

:

third, where your belly button is.

921

:

That's your breath of peace.

922

:

Okay.

923

:

Your belly button area is where you have

the most vascular, um, part of your lungs.

924

:

So you have a better gas

exchange in that part.

925

:

And it's very important to be seated

when you're doing this one, because

926

:

in this experience, you can drift to

the point where you feel so relaxed.

927

:

You know, if you're, you wouldn't want

to be driving or cutting up carrots.

928

:

Okay.

929

:

When you do this.

930

:

So what we're going to do is

we're going to do that breath of

931

:

possibility, really suck it in.

932

:

Okay, and then we're going to

hold that breath and then like a

933

:

tube of toothpaste, we're going to

roll ourselves from the top down.

934

:

Feel that air going from our upper chest,

middle chest into our belly and our

935

:

hands are going to be on our belly and

we're going to hold it like a balloon.

936

:

We're going to squash it down there.

937

:

We're going to pressurize it

and the next thing we do, you've

938

:

got pressure in your belly.

939

:

You're going to just let

it bleed out of your mouth.

940

:

It's going to come out

with a, like a hiss.

941

:

So it's like your mouth is trying to

stop the air coming out, but there's

942

:

just a little bit of a, a bit like a,

you know, a pressure cooker letting

943

:

out a little bit of a, uh, a hiss.

944

:

Okay.

945

:

And the longer you can make that

hiss, the better it's going to be.

946

:

Uh, we're going to do this three times

and allow your body to experience it.

947

:

There's no right or wrong way to do it.

948

:

Um, be as relaxed as possible.

949

:

Um, And

950

:

like I said, sometimes we have

to give ourselves permission to

951

:

relax into this because we're so

used to, Oh, this is an activity.

952

:

There's a right way and a wrong way.

953

:

There's no right or wrong way here.

954

:

Uh, and you've got the rest of your life

to practice provided you're planning

955

:

on breathing for the rest of your life.

956

:

Mike: Nice.

957

:

Tim: Hopefully.

958

:

So let's, let's do the breath

of possibility and I'll coach

959

:

you through what we do next.

960

:

So get your power buttons ready.

961

:

Okay, blow it out.

962

:

Shut your nose and really snort that air.

963

:

Snort the air.

964

:

Now hold it and wriggle it.

965

:

It should feel really good

like the best stretch.

966

:

Wriggle your shoulders up and down.

967

:

Now holding your breath,

holding your breath.

968

:

Just roll your head forward.

969

:

Roll your head forward.

970

:

Roll your head forward.

971

:

Collapse it down.

972

:

Feel the air.

973

:

Put your hands on your belly.

974

:

Hands on your belly.

975

:

Push it into your belly like a balloon.

976

:

Let your head relax down low.

977

:

Squeeze it down low.

978

:

Now, let it out super slow with a hiss.

979

:

If you can make that hiss last 20

seconds, that would be amazing.

980

:

Now just treat your body like it's

a, uh, an inflatable castle that's

981

:

just relaxing and letting go of all

its tension, just collapsing down.

982

:

That's let it all collapse down,

collapse down, collapse down.

983

:

Mike: Fantastic.

984

:

We've got two more of those.

985

:

So

986

:

Tim: really rapid inhale, push your

power buttons, hold it, wriggle

987

:

it, open it up even more, and

then let that just collapse down.

988

:

Let your head collapse forward.

989

:

Feel that air going from your upper

chest, middle chest, lower chest.

990

:

Let your head hang forward.

991

:

Have your head sort of

almost between your knees.

992

:

And then pressurize it in your, in

your belly and let it out super slow.

993

:

And as it's coming out, just

let your whole body collapse.

994

:

Like it's a, an inflatable

toy, just collapsing down

995

:

all the tensions, leaving it.

996

:

Everything's just melting

away as you exhale.

997

:

Nice one.

998

:

And this last one is,

is gonna be even better.

999

:

So we're gonna try and

have a nice long power up.

:

00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:50,460

Breathing in, snort it, hit your

power buttons, raise your chest,

:

00:55:50,570 --> 00:55:53,400

feel how good it is to stretch

it around, like you're opening up

:

00:55:53,410 --> 00:55:55,830

your heart, opening up your chest.

:

00:55:55,850 --> 00:55:56,950

Feels really good.

:

00:55:58,675 --> 00:56:02,535

And then holding that breath, just

let collapse down, collapse down,

:

00:56:02,565 --> 00:56:04,425

collapse down, collapse down.

:

00:56:04,425 --> 00:56:06,375

Put your hands on your

belly, hands on your belly.

:

00:56:06,375 --> 00:56:08,825

Feel all your air going

down into your belly.

:

00:56:10,905 --> 00:56:13,765

Relax your head forward almost

like it's between your knees.

:

00:56:14,705 --> 00:56:17,425

And then when it's down as low as

you can, let it out with a hiss.

:

00:56:21,005 --> 00:56:23,035

And allow your body just to deflate.

:

00:56:25,475 --> 00:56:29,045

Feel all that tension leaving

your body, your face, your neck,

:

00:56:29,065 --> 00:56:30,835

your shoulders, your hands.

:

00:56:31,860 --> 00:56:35,190

You lower back, your legs, your calves.

:

00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:38,260

It's all just leaving with the exhale.

:

00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,080

Oh, that's awesome.

:

00:56:44,250 --> 00:56:46,630

Mike: Ah, super relaxing.

:

00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:47,790

That is fantastic.

:

00:56:51,490 --> 00:56:52,140

Fantastic.

:

00:56:52,140 --> 00:56:52,890

Yeah, that's great.

:

00:56:52,890 --> 00:56:58,090

I mean, I can feel, you know, I tend

to hold my posture pretty tight anyway.

:

00:56:58,090 --> 00:56:58,990

Every time I.

:

00:56:59,430 --> 00:57:00,830

Go see my massage therapist.

:

00:57:00,830 --> 00:57:04,340

I'm always in trouble for

having way too much tightness

:

00:57:04,340 --> 00:57:05,810

in my shoulders, especially.

:

00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,130

And, uh, yeah, this kind

of thing is really helpful

:

00:57:08,660 --> 00:57:10,380

Tim: when you started with that exhale.

:

00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:11,610

You just went boom.

:

00:57:13,370 --> 00:57:18,270

And, and this is what, you know how

I said, breath outranks the mind, our

:

00:57:18,270 --> 00:57:22,200

busy little mind, it'll send a signal

to the body saying, I want to keep busy.

:

00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:23,010

I need energy.

:

00:57:23,010 --> 00:57:25,370

So it'll create energy by

keeping his shoulder tight.

:

00:57:25,780 --> 00:57:26,140

Okay.

:

00:57:26,140 --> 00:57:27,390

And then they feed each other.

:

00:57:27,940 --> 00:57:32,380

So your breath outranks that, then

all of a sudden, ah, you know what?

:

00:57:33,050 --> 00:57:33,830

I don't need that.

:

00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:35,220

Mike: Yeah.

:

00:57:36,750 --> 00:57:37,540

That's fantastic.

:

00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:38,440

That is so great.

:

00:57:39,390 --> 00:57:40,680

Tim: And that was just three breaths.

:

00:57:41,110 --> 00:57:41,470

Okay,

:

00:57:42,210 --> 00:57:43,170

Mike: that's what I love about it.

:

00:57:43,170 --> 00:57:44,770

I mean, it's so accessible, right?

:

00:57:44,790 --> 00:57:47,750

And if people just, this is

what I'm so excited about.

:

00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:51,430

And I'm so grateful that you're sharing

your, your technique and your wisdom

:

00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:55,570

this way, because my hope is that, you

know, the more we can get this out there

:

00:57:55,570 --> 00:57:59,270

and communicate and educate people about

this, the more that they'll be able to

:

00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:03,860

take control and, and find benefit from

these accessible techniques, so that

:

00:58:03,890 --> 00:58:07,350

they won't have to go, you know, on

these wild goose chases and get hooked

:

00:58:07,350 --> 00:58:12,045

on pills, you know, and they can find

You know, resources and treatments that

:

00:58:12,045 --> 00:58:15,965

will help them sleep better, help them

to be able to master and control their

:

00:58:15,965 --> 00:58:18,405

own thoughts and anxieties and worries.

:

00:58:18,715 --> 00:58:19,515

It's fantastic.

:

00:58:19,515 --> 00:58:23,015

No, and I think especially, I'm especially

grateful that you're, you know, you're

:

00:58:23,015 --> 00:58:26,855

able to, you know, show us in real

time and help to walk us through this.

:

00:58:26,865 --> 00:58:31,305

It's so, you know, as I say, much

appreciated and fascinating as

:

00:58:31,305 --> 00:58:34,605

well, just in terms of the whole

connection with, you know, what your

:

00:58:34,605 --> 00:58:38,005

experiences are and the science and

the techniques that you've developed.

:

00:58:38,005 --> 00:58:39,345

I think it's awesome.

:

00:58:40,725 --> 00:58:47,525

Tim: Well, I, I just invite

everyone listening to consider that

:

00:58:47,555 --> 00:58:49,865

if they got anything from that.

:

00:58:50,845 --> 00:58:55,415

How many other people do you know

that would benefit from that as well?

:

00:58:55,985 --> 00:58:59,085

So you could be the healer

that brings healing to others.

:

00:59:00,085 --> 00:59:04,535

Okay, now, if we just, obviously I've

got a, I've got an app that you can

:

00:59:04,535 --> 00:59:08,185

access twice a day, when you sleep,

when you wake up, it's a whole buffet.

:

00:59:08,205 --> 00:59:12,495

But if you just take what you've

learned, And apply and master it yourself

:

00:59:12,545 --> 00:59:14,375

and then simply show someone else.

:

00:59:14,375 --> 00:59:15,415

How easy is that?

:

00:59:16,195 --> 00:59:16,545

Okay.

:

00:59:16,545 --> 00:59:19,585

You could be the one that makes

all the difference to them.

:

00:59:19,625 --> 00:59:21,395

You could have thousands

of people left and right.

:

00:59:21,395 --> 00:59:23,485

If you're willing, you're one

saying, if you can master this view,

:

00:59:23,505 --> 00:59:28,255

you can master it for us and, and,

and, and you will not just get the

:

00:59:28,265 --> 00:59:30,035

benefit of experiencing yourself.

:

00:59:30,035 --> 00:59:33,365

You'll get the joy of sharing

this with others and seeing

:

00:59:33,365 --> 00:59:34,615

how it impacts on others.

:

00:59:35,310 --> 00:59:38,170

you know, giving people that

possibility, that piece.

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00:59:41,130 --> 00:59:42,190

Mike: Yeah, 100%.

:

00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:44,770

No, I, again, it's a, it's

a very powerful message.

:

00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:48,050

And, you know, I think it's,

uh, it's so interesting.

:

00:59:48,180 --> 00:59:52,420

Um, you know, I was also interested,

you know, you had mentioned earlier,

:

00:59:52,420 --> 00:59:57,360

you know, that you've been collaborating

with, um, other organizations in terms of

:

00:59:57,540 --> 01:00:02,790

researching and, um, maybe if you don't

mind just, uh, kind of explaining that a

:

01:00:02,790 --> 01:00:06,250

little more, and I'd be super interested

to, to find out more about that.

:

01:00:07,135 --> 01:00:11,475

Tim: Okay, so I'm a firm believer

in collecting data correctly.

:

01:00:12,015 --> 01:00:15,475

Um, you know, you can argue with me,

but you can't argue with the data.

:

01:00:15,505 --> 01:00:17,315

Therefore, you can't argue with me, right?

:

01:00:19,355 --> 01:00:24,075

So, so, um, but unfortunately, research

bodies have, especially in the veteran

:

01:00:24,075 --> 01:00:26,545

space, operate like alien spacecraft.

:

01:00:27,325 --> 01:00:29,845

They land, probe your deepest

secrets and then bugger off

:

01:00:29,845 --> 01:00:31,025

without even buying you a coffee.

:

01:00:31,495 --> 01:00:31,845

Okay.

:

01:00:31,845 --> 01:00:39,625

So my Uh, part was to understand what the

intention of the research body was, and

:

01:00:39,625 --> 01:00:43,085

that was to create, I wasn't interested

in anyone that didn't want to create

:

01:00:43,085 --> 01:00:47,935

working tools that could be paid forward

because again, um, data done correctly

:

01:00:48,165 --> 01:00:51,485

can be wrapped around the globe, but

it can also be pushed forward in time.

:

01:00:51,955 --> 01:00:55,565

Uh, and I love the idea of something,

you know, working when I'm sleeping.

:

01:00:56,045 --> 01:01:04,525

Uh, So they saw that there was a

problem with members, military members

:

01:01:04,725 --> 01:01:09,495

transitioning into the civilian world

and no one was addressing it, but these

:

01:01:09,495 --> 01:01:11,745

people saw that that was an issue.

:

01:01:11,825 --> 01:01:16,775

And I'm like, I want to help these people

because this is the elephant in the room.

:

01:01:17,325 --> 01:01:30,840

And so they wanted to create A resource

that wasn't just for the members going

:

01:01:30,850 --> 01:01:37,620

through it, but also for the GPs that

would deal with veteran, uh, uh, clients.

:

01:01:38,060 --> 01:01:38,530

Okay.

:

01:01:38,710 --> 01:01:40,820

So understanding that.

:

01:01:41,110 --> 01:01:43,510

In my case, when I said,

look, I can't sleep,

:

01:01:45,550 --> 01:01:49,280

instead of just giving pills, they would

give them this questionnaire saying, well,

:

01:01:49,460 --> 01:01:53,670

in your defense life, in your military

life, you experienced these things.

:

01:01:54,050 --> 01:01:56,160

How is that going now

in the civilian world?

:

01:01:56,180 --> 01:01:59,630

And you, and it would ask questions,

you get a score out of whatever.

:

01:01:59,630 --> 01:02:04,330

And then you could say, Oh, actually

I'm, I actually don't have any

:

01:02:04,340 --> 01:02:06,770

social, Network in the military.

:

01:02:06,770 --> 01:02:10,150

I had a social network now I don't,

uh, and I'm suffering because of it

:

01:02:10,190 --> 01:02:16,300

and it's impacting on my sleep because,

um, and again, this is why I like

:

01:02:16,620 --> 01:02:20,560

looking at sleep because I can kid

myself in the daytime, tell myself

:

01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:25,880

I'm fine, but all the imbalances I'm,

uh, living with show up in my sleep.

:

01:02:25,930 --> 01:02:27,030

It also shows up in my.

:

01:02:27,355 --> 01:02:28,755

Uh, alcohol intake.

:

01:02:28,775 --> 01:02:30,065

I used to drink a lot of alcohol.

:

01:02:30,385 --> 01:02:32,045

Um, I said I was fine.

:

01:02:32,045 --> 01:02:35,085

I just, but I just had to

drink maybe 12 beers before I

:

01:02:35,085 --> 01:02:36,705

could speak to my then wife.

:

01:02:37,055 --> 01:02:38,765

I call my then wife, not my ex-wife.

:

01:02:39,245 --> 01:02:43,335

And so where are we going with this?

:

01:02:44,615 --> 01:02:44,885

Yeah.

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01:02:44,885 --> 01:02:47,405

Mike: I mean, it, it's just No, we

were going somewhere, we were going

:

01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,807

the, um, the, the whole notion

of Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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01:02:54,075 --> 01:02:55,335

Tim: The research, research research.

:

01:02:55,335 --> 01:02:55,515

Totally.

:

01:02:55,515 --> 01:02:55,997

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

:

01:02:56,385 --> 01:03:03,645

We created, uh, a product called,

uh, which asked the right questions

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01:03:03,675 --> 01:03:06,315

the right way in the right format

:

01:03:06,435 --> 01:03:06,825

Mike: mm-hmm.

:

01:03:07,375 --> 01:03:10,455

Tim: To then, uh, give a.

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01:03:10,940 --> 01:03:18,090

Individual and prescribed response to

the member who was going through it.

:

01:03:18,100 --> 01:03:21,290

So in the past, you'd go in

and say, look, I'm struggling.

:

01:03:21,290 --> 01:03:22,750

They'd just give you a bunch of pamphlets.

:

01:03:24,380 --> 01:03:28,560

But now we've created this tool that asks.

:

01:03:29,290 --> 01:03:33,460

In your language, let's just

say, do civilians piss you off?

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01:03:33,890 --> 01:03:34,330

Okay.

:

01:03:34,420 --> 01:03:34,780

Oh yeah.

:

01:03:34,780 --> 01:03:35,510

That's my language.

:

01:03:35,580 --> 01:03:37,550

Here's this, this, you

know, do these things.

:

01:03:37,550 --> 01:03:40,370

And you're, you're answering

these questions and you're

:

01:03:40,370 --> 01:03:41,750

like, this person gets it.

:

01:03:41,750 --> 01:03:42,750

Oh my gosh, they get it.

:

01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:43,160

They get it.

:

01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:43,910

I feel known.

:

01:03:43,910 --> 01:03:44,430

I feel heard.

:

01:03:44,430 --> 01:03:45,130

I feel seen.

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01:03:45,420 --> 01:03:45,880

Okay.

:

01:03:46,215 --> 01:03:51,145

So that's because, you know, the academia

took someone, you know, a dyslexic guy

:

01:03:51,145 --> 01:03:55,805

like me who failed high school, but can

see patterns, uh, and, and sculpt it to

:

01:03:55,805 --> 01:04:01,195

the talk of the people that are trying

to reach, and then your, your score

:

01:04:01,195 --> 01:04:06,215

after this, um, you know, after these

questions said, well, these are the

:

01:04:06,325 --> 01:04:09,165

prescribed things that will work for you.

:

01:04:09,425 --> 01:04:10,245

As opposed to like.

:

01:04:10,515 --> 01:04:11,795

20 pages of information.

:

01:04:11,935 --> 01:04:15,495

Here's two paragraphs that

are relevant to you, you know?

:

01:04:15,855 --> 01:04:20,835

So, uh, it's called the M

Calm product, M C A R M.

:

01:04:20,845 --> 01:04:21,775

You can look that up.

:

01:04:22,105 --> 01:04:28,285

Um, and we started, my team

and I, we started raising money

:

01:04:28,635 --> 01:04:31,925

for Gallipoli Medical Research.

:

01:04:31,975 --> 01:04:34,315

That's the, the, the one

that worked with veterans.

:

01:04:34,315 --> 01:04:38,935

I also do work with cancer and liver

disease, um, respiratory disorders.

:

01:04:38,945 --> 01:04:39,445

But,

:

01:04:41,685 --> 01:04:43,815

and this is why I was really

happy to be on here today.

:

01:04:45,445 --> 01:04:50,255

The brain for me is the most,

is where I live as a human.

:

01:04:50,845 --> 01:04:53,595

Because I can damage my hand

and I'm Tim with a damaged hand.

:

01:04:53,955 --> 01:04:56,195

But if I damage this

thing, I'm no longer Tim.

:

01:04:56,735 --> 01:04:58,995

You know, my, my internal compass is off.

:

01:04:59,555 --> 01:05:04,225

So we, in Queensland, we have

the Queensland Brain Institute.

:

01:05:05,190 --> 01:05:08,790

Uh, very smart people doing a

lot of research to create tools

:

01:05:08,790 --> 01:05:10,220

to apply in the real world.

:

01:05:10,950 --> 01:05:15,180

And I think our initial goal was 50, 000.

:

01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:20,690

We ended up giving both organizations,

both the Gallipoli Medical Research

:

01:05:20,700 --> 01:05:26,620

Foundation and the Queensland Brain

Institute, checks for over 500, 000 each.

:

01:05:27,350 --> 01:05:27,810

Mike: Wow.

:

01:05:28,510 --> 01:05:28,800

Wow.

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01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:30,000

That is fantastic.

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01:05:30,010 --> 01:05:30,940

Congratulations.

:

01:05:30,940 --> 01:05:32,980

I mean, that's just amazing.

:

01:05:32,980 --> 01:05:37,620

That's, that's just such heartening

news to hear, you know, about how

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01:05:37,660 --> 01:05:41,740

much of an impact, a positive impact,

you know, not only at the individual

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01:05:41,740 --> 01:05:45,290

level with the kind of education that

we're offering here, but just on such

:

01:05:45,290 --> 01:05:49,350

a broad, you know, level with that,

that kind of impact and helping others.

:

01:05:49,350 --> 01:05:49,990

It's just.

:

01:05:50,225 --> 01:05:52,075

It's just so heartwarming

to hear about that.

:

01:05:52,075 --> 01:05:52,895

And so thank you.

:

01:05:52,985 --> 01:05:53,955

Thank you again for all your efforts.

:

01:05:54,505 --> 01:05:56,445

Tim: I got to, I got to

jump in here and get real.

:

01:05:56,495 --> 01:06:01,295

It just presents me to something like,

cause you're so busy doing stuff.

:

01:06:01,295 --> 01:06:02,985

You don't often get perspective.

:

01:06:02,985 --> 01:06:05,945

And when you, when you acknowledge

me, then I'm like, actually, that

:

01:06:05,945 --> 01:06:07,455

was pretty good that we did that.

:

01:06:08,125 --> 01:06:10,055

And I went back to where

it actually started.

:

01:06:10,595 --> 01:06:16,465

Um, so I got out of the

military in:

:

01:06:17,404 --> 01:06:18,385

uh, I was about to kill a man.

:

01:06:19,335 --> 01:06:21,270

Uh, uh, Government wasn't paying me.

:

01:06:21,270 --> 01:06:22,080

This would have been murder.

:

01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:28,420

I had reached rock bottom with my PTSD, a

lot of drinking, family was falling apart.

:

01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:33,140

And I'm like, what do you do

when everything goes wrong?

:

01:06:34,250 --> 01:06:37,060

I guess everyone's telling me

I should see a psychologist

:

01:06:39,580 --> 01:06:40,790

and that didn't make any sense to me.

:

01:06:40,790 --> 01:06:43,060

I'm like, why do I want to see

a guy I've never met before?

:

01:06:43,340 --> 01:06:44,190

What's he going to do?

:

01:06:45,890 --> 01:06:49,290

And I am doing it because I felt

forced to do it to start with.

:

01:06:50,010 --> 01:06:56,270

Um, and this guy wasn't just incompetent.

:

01:06:56,340 --> 01:06:57,029

I could handle incompetency.

:

01:06:57,490 --> 01:06:58,529

He was apathetic.

:

01:06:59,555 --> 01:07:01,625

I saw him all the stuff

that I saw in service.

:

01:07:01,625 --> 01:07:03,875

And at the end, he's like,

Oh, do you think it was a

:

01:07:03,875 --> 01:07:04,975

problem with your mom and dad?

:

01:07:06,345 --> 01:07:08,255

And that's when everything

in the room froze.

:

01:07:09,415 --> 01:07:13,135

And I was very aware that he had a glass

frame psychology degree behind him.

:

01:07:14,195 --> 01:07:18,785

And in my state of disconnect, it made a

lot of sense to grab that glass frame and

:

01:07:18,785 --> 01:07:22,770

feed it to him because he was supposed

to be a healer and he's causing pain

:

01:07:22,770 --> 01:07:25,445

to remove him from the whole system.

:

01:07:25,455 --> 01:07:26,795

This was my postal moment.

:

01:07:27,485 --> 01:07:29,960

Um, And I get out of my chair to do this.

:

01:07:30,980 --> 01:07:34,690

And then I feel a hand on my

chest saying red flag, Tim, you're

:

01:07:34,690 --> 01:07:36,220

the toughest mofo, you know,

:

01:07:38,510 --> 01:07:42,250

how many others are struggling

in a system that doesn't seem to

:

01:07:42,250 --> 01:07:43,970

understand or want to make you better.

:

01:07:45,450 --> 01:07:50,220

And then I sat back down, Mike, and I, and

that's when I saw them, I saw thousands

:

01:07:50,220 --> 01:07:54,950

of people left and right of me saying,

Tim, if you can find a way forward for

:

01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:57,750

you, you can find a way forward for us.

:

01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:02,770

Um, and that's when I said, look,

it doesn't matter if it takes me

:

01:08:02,770 --> 01:08:07,720

a week, a month, a year, a decade,

I've got to find a way forward

:

01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:10,610

because then I'm going to find a way

forward for all these other people.

:

01:08:14,345 --> 01:08:20,675

And that's when my isolation got

broken because when I was isolated, I

:

01:08:20,675 --> 01:08:23,194

could do dumb stuff like murder a guy.

:

01:08:23,770 --> 01:08:25,050

I'd be in prison right now.

:

01:08:25,979 --> 01:08:29,710

But when I got connected, I

started seeing that, no, this,

:

01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:31,370

this experience is not important.

:

01:08:31,370 --> 01:08:35,090

What's important is finding a

way for all these other people.

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01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:36,620

And

:

01:08:38,660 --> 01:08:43,149

I just want to sort of draw people

into this because everyone listening

:

01:08:43,979 --> 01:08:48,190

is up against something, you know,

it could be work relationship,

:

01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:49,510

whatever it is you're up against.

:

01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:52,130

But the golden question

to ask yourself is this.

:

01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:59,990

Honestly, how many other people are

in the same situation you are in

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01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:03,540

right now and really give it a number.

:

01:09:04,340 --> 01:09:09,420

You know, because they're not make

believe they're real and they're left

:

01:09:09,420 --> 01:09:10,910

and right of you willing you want.

:

01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:16,870

And if you make choices to move

forward, these are people you

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01:09:16,870 --> 01:09:18,170

probably haven't even met yet.

:

01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:20,040

And they're going to be saying

things like, you know what?

:

01:09:20,059 --> 01:09:26,319

I'm so glad you chose what you chose,

you know, back early:

:

01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:28,170

you've made our lives so much easier now.

:

01:09:30,865 --> 01:09:37,515

So think about yourself is not, you

know, give yourself whatever number

:

01:09:37,515 --> 01:09:41,145

is you've given to the people that are

up against whatever you're up against.

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01:09:42,825 --> 01:09:43,585

Give that a number.

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01:09:43,684 --> 01:09:46,165

Let's just say 10, 000.

:

01:09:47,845 --> 01:09:53,415

So you are not, you're not, you're

the way I see it is you're no longer

:

01:09:53,915 --> 01:09:55,445

just one person going to get healing.

:

01:09:55,445 --> 01:09:57,695

You're 10, 000 people

going to get healing.

:

01:09:58,345 --> 01:10:00,445

You're 10, 000 people improving yourself.

:

01:10:00,955 --> 01:10:04,820

You're not, you know, One in

10, 000, you're 10, 000 in one.

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01:10:06,690 --> 01:10:11,410

And then you start seeing the

power of your own, uh, growth.

:

01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:15,120

It's not what we do that

gives value to others.

:

01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:16,430

It's what we've come through.

:

01:10:18,100 --> 01:10:20,750

And if you can really get that

tipping point going in your

:

01:10:20,750 --> 01:10:24,245

head, there is, there's not a

goddamn thing that can stop you.

:

01:10:25,555 --> 01:10:27,475

Mike: Yeah, boy, that is so powerful.

:

01:10:27,505 --> 01:10:31,775

I mean just, just coming from such a

pivotal moment like that again, I mean

:

01:10:31,775 --> 01:10:35,085

that's strikes me from our conversation

today is that there have been a number

:

01:10:35,085 --> 01:10:39,615

of these pivotal moments in your

life that you've you've, you know,

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01:10:39,645 --> 01:10:41,245

confronted and you've, and you've.

:

01:10:41,559 --> 01:10:46,270

You've battled through and you've

translated those into this program

:

01:10:46,270 --> 01:10:51,430

and this attitude and this, this, this

abundance and generosity that, you

:

01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:53,480

know, is, is helping so many people.

:

01:10:53,970 --> 01:11:00,720

And, um, again, you know, whether it's

the medications or kind of like a scripted

:

01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:02,920

kind of way of trying to offer counseling.

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01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:06,800

I mean, when that doesn't go well

for people, when there's a lack of,

:

01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:10,880

uh, sort of a genuine, you know,

connection behind it, you know, and

:

01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:12,270

I've seen this, you know, and I've.

:

01:11:12,575 --> 01:11:15,665

probably struggled with this

myself, you know, in terms of people

:

01:11:15,665 --> 01:11:18,805

I've tried to help or, or people

that I've seen myself for help.

:

01:11:18,815 --> 01:11:22,785

I mean, when, when you, when it's, it's

almost as though when you're following

:

01:11:22,785 --> 01:11:28,975

a recipe, you know, but the recipe,

what the recipe is intended to prepare

:

01:11:28,975 --> 01:11:32,855

isn't really what the person needs or is

actually wanting, you know, again, you're,

:

01:11:32,855 --> 01:11:35,995

you're sending them, you're walking down

the wrong path with them and you can go

:

01:11:35,995 --> 01:11:39,755

as, as fast as you want, and you can go

for as far as you want on the wrong path.

:

01:11:39,785 --> 01:11:43,175

But if it's the wrong path, when

you get there, you're going to

:

01:11:43,175 --> 01:11:44,575

be sorely disappointed, right?

:

01:11:44,575 --> 01:11:51,255

So, so having this genuine kind of

really, again, um, foundational kind

:

01:11:51,255 --> 01:11:55,595

of, uh, again, I'll say spiritual

because I think there is that

:

01:11:55,595 --> 01:11:57,075

spiritual connection with the breath.

:

01:11:57,075 --> 01:12:00,795

I mean, it's, it's there in all,

all the wisdom traditions, right?

:

01:12:00,815 --> 01:12:05,425

Look at the breath as, as an essential

part of, of health and wellness, right?

:

01:12:05,715 --> 01:12:09,735

So again, you know, really just so

interesting and I, I appreciate, you

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01:12:09,735 --> 01:12:14,080

know, your honesty and bringing, you

know, um, your personal story and all

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these pivotal moments to the discussion.

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01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:22,230

I think it really kind of solidifies the,

um, the genuine and the authenticity of,

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01:12:22,270 --> 01:12:24,470

of, of what your program has to offer.

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01:12:24,470 --> 01:12:25,170

So thank you.

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Tim: Thank you for your kind words, Dr.

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01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:28,650

Mike.

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And, you know, if you're getting anything,

if anyone's getting anything from this,

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01:12:34,740 --> 01:12:37,710

To go through the looking glass

here, you're actually there with

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01:12:37,710 --> 01:12:40,180

me in April of:

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01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:42,890

Mike: Yeah, lovely.

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01:12:42,890 --> 01:12:47,390

I think that's just a really poetic way

and a really kind of impactful way of,

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01:12:47,420 --> 01:12:51,030

of, yeah, just getting to that notion

that, you know, we are all together,

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01:12:51,059 --> 01:12:54,390

we are all in this together, there's

this common energy that unites us all.

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And so tapping into that,

there's a huge therapeutic, um,

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01:12:59,290 --> 01:13:00,770

benefit to that kind of mindset.

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Can I speak to

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01:13:01,300 --> 01:13:01,970

Tim: that, Dr.

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01:13:01,970 --> 01:13:02,010

Mike?

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01:13:02,010 --> 01:13:02,280

Please

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Mike: do, yeah, 100%.

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01:13:04,145 --> 01:13:06,585

Tim: A lot of people throw around

the term, we're all connected.

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01:13:06,615 --> 01:13:10,695

I, I, I tend to think that the way

I see it is we're all living on

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01:13:10,695 --> 01:13:15,545

the same grid, this interconnected

grid, and we're feeling each

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01:13:15,545 --> 01:13:18,025

other far more than what we admit.

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01:13:18,585 --> 01:13:21,885

And that becomes really obvious

when someone from that grid that you

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01:13:21,885 --> 01:13:23,870

care about gets removed, they die.

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01:13:24,290 --> 01:13:28,100

You know, so those invisible golden

strands that you're always feeling that

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01:13:28,100 --> 01:13:30,200

person they get felt when they're severed.

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01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,720

All right, and and that's obvious.

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01:13:33,809 --> 01:13:39,880

Um, and I've generally found that

people's awareness levels is relative

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01:13:39,930 --> 01:13:41,740

to how connected they are in the grid.

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Okay.

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01:13:42,930 --> 01:13:47,990

Uh, but my theory is just like you feel

it when someone's physically removed.

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01:13:48,700 --> 01:13:53,020

If when someone's physically improved,

then that benefits you as well.

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01:13:54,160 --> 01:14:00,240

And it, and it really made a big impact

to me when I realized that I can't

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01:14:00,250 --> 01:14:07,130

hurt or screw anyone over without

hurting or screwing myself over, you

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01:14:07,130 --> 01:14:09,040

know, and that really stood out to me.

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01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:11,650

So I, I had to, even in my thoughts.

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01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:17,080

I couldn't have that as a thing,

the classic saying, do unto

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01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:18,580

others as you do to yourself.

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01:14:18,580 --> 01:14:23,000

Like, I never really got that until I

actually saw us all sort of continually

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feeling each other on this grid.

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01:14:25,410 --> 01:14:29,580

Um, and, and, and obviously I had

that experience of Afghanistan.

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I'm a pretty thick headed guy.

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01:14:31,970 --> 01:14:34,450

I had to go to that extreme to

realize when the person next to

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me is stronger, I'm stronger,

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Mike: you know.

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01:14:38,230 --> 01:14:46,030

Tim: But I do want to, I do want to

sort of build on this, uh, generosity

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01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:50,309

can be done wrong.

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Generosity has to be done

in a way that works for you.

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And I, my favorite saying these days

is I don't give up myself anymore.

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I give up my abundance.

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Okay.

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01:15:03,300 --> 01:15:09,200

Cause cause back when I was in the, on

the coal face, um, working face to face

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01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:15,110

with veterans, I, um, had some incredible

results that no one else had done

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01:15:15,110 --> 01:15:19,620

before, but what nobody knew was every

six or seven weeks, I'd have to write

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01:15:19,620 --> 01:15:21,550

myself off blind drunk for three days.

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01:15:22,190 --> 01:15:24,490

Because I was, I was giving of myself.

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I wasn't giving of my abundance

and the way it works is okay.

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So if I'm just adequate, if I'm

just at a hundred percent and I'm,

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you know, it's the right thing

to do, be generous with somebody.

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I give away 10%.

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There was a part of me that said,

you know what I've given you 10%,

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01:15:38,710 --> 01:15:39,980

you better do something with that.

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01:15:41,305 --> 01:15:42,934

So even in your thoughts, right?

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01:15:45,955 --> 01:15:52,415

If I connect to myself powerfully

first and I make 500%, I can

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give 20 percent away a day.

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It doesn't matter if

people love it, hate it.

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01:15:56,375 --> 01:15:57,255

Tell me to F off.

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01:15:58,095 --> 01:16:01,625

I'm in touch with something so

much more powerful, you know?

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01:16:01,625 --> 01:16:06,695

So, so being in touch with something

so much more powerful is a very.

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01:16:07,995 --> 01:16:11,025

It changes the way you see the future

because you know, we've all been hurt.

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01:16:11,025 --> 01:16:14,325

We've all been taken from and what

I noticed I would naturally trying

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01:16:14,325 --> 01:16:19,585

to protect myself and in doing so I

would disconnect myself from that.

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Let's call it a higher power Or you

could just say your energy's like

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01:16:24,355 --> 01:16:29,160

money how you invest it's how you

get it back Okay, so Investing in

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01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:34,130

yourself first and then out of that

abundance you give to others and you

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01:16:34,130 --> 01:16:36,059

can do that regularly and consistently.

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Um, so my parents, um, I grew

up, they, they worked with

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01:16:47,370 --> 01:16:49,020

really low socioeconomic people.

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They worked within the church,

kind of the people that would

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01:16:51,380 --> 01:16:52,730

hang out underneath bridges.

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Okay.

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01:16:53,695 --> 01:16:57,175

So they were, they were super

generous, kind hearted people.

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01:16:57,795 --> 01:17:00,975

And I tried to be generous the way

they were and it never worked for me.

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01:17:02,025 --> 01:17:05,885

So I had to find my own way of being

generous, which was on the back

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01:17:05,895 --> 01:17:08,415

of feeling powerful within myself.

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Um, and I noticed and this is not really

spoken about these days or at least out

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01:17:13,780 --> 01:17:20,080

loud, um, especially for us men, our

generosity and happiness is relative to

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01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:25,340

how powerful we feel if you want to see a

stingy, unhappy guy, he doesn't feel very

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01:17:25,340 --> 01:17:31,410

powerful, you know, so, so being generous.

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01:17:32,235 --> 01:17:37,005

is doing the things that light

you up, creating an abundance out

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01:17:37,005 --> 01:17:38,815

of that and giving out of that.

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So I'm a particularly gifted physical guy.

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01:17:42,415 --> 01:17:45,145

So I'm always looking for ways

to be physically generous.

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01:17:45,375 --> 01:17:49,355

Yesterday when I'm walking my

dogs back, uh, to my house, I see

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01:17:49,355 --> 01:17:52,915

the kid up the street unloading

corrugated iron and he's struggling.

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01:17:53,105 --> 01:17:55,815

So I put my dogs away and I got

there and I just helped him.

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01:17:56,605 --> 01:17:59,235

Load the corrugated iron easy.

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01:17:59,275 --> 01:18:03,305

Like if I was in a, in a different

physical state, that wouldn't be so easy.

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01:18:03,755 --> 01:18:12,765

Um, so part of a person's natural

generosity is self mastery of the

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01:18:12,775 --> 01:18:16,065

things that light you up and obviously

you'd never actually get there if

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01:18:16,065 --> 01:18:18,315

you've got those unhealed parts.

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01:18:18,645 --> 01:18:22,565

So getting healing is very much

the first start getting you getting

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01:18:22,565 --> 01:18:24,184

healing for whatever you're up against.

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01:18:25,930 --> 01:18:29,480

From the outside in the most valuable

thing about you, you know, when someone

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01:18:29,480 --> 01:18:32,059

else has gone through, I'll use an

example that I've never gone through

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01:18:32,059 --> 01:18:35,480

say breast cancer, you know, if you're

going through breast cancer, you're

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01:18:35,480 --> 01:18:38,940

going to be the one to speak those words

to break the isolation of all those

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01:18:38,940 --> 01:18:40,210

people going through breast cancer.

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01:18:40,430 --> 01:18:42,090

No one else is going

to be able to do that.

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01:18:42,450 --> 01:18:45,880

And breaking isolation as we've discussed

is one of the most powerful things.

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01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:49,840

And then, you know, once you've, once

you've, you know, you've got your

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01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:54,160

healing, then you tap into your own

particular unique energy signature.

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01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:57,230

The thing that you invest into

that gives you so much back.

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Okay.

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01:18:58,220 --> 01:18:59,290

And it's not always easy.

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01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:04,670

Like I, there was a part of me before I

went for a run, uh, this morning, I wanted

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01:19:04,670 --> 01:19:09,250

to be at my best for this interaction

between you and me, but it was raining.

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01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:10,230

I didn't want to run.

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01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:13,890

When I did it, I felt so

much better afterwards.

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01:19:13,940 --> 01:19:15,320

So it cost me a hundred dollars.

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01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:18,080

I didn't want to spend it, but it

gave me a thousand dollars back.

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01:19:18,390 --> 01:19:23,900

So, so doing the things that are

somewhat hard, but then noticing

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01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:25,280

how much they give you back.

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01:19:26,330 --> 01:19:31,280

I hope all that sort of dovetailed in

to the, to the, to the conversation.

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01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:33,110

Mike: Yeah, no, no, a hundred percent.

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01:19:33,180 --> 01:19:37,960

I mean, I think that's, I think

particularly for, uh, people who are

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01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:42,100

caregivers and in some sense, it's,

it's really hard to know sometimes

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01:19:42,100 --> 01:19:46,920

when, you know, your generosity is, is,

is something that you end up coming to

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01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:48,870

resent because you're depleted yourself.

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01:19:48,870 --> 01:19:51,870

You know, there's this great

song, uh, By Noah Cahan.

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01:19:51,870 --> 01:19:56,570

I don't know if you know this, this,

uh, singer songwriter Noah Cahan, but

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01:19:56,620 --> 01:20:00,010

one of his great, great songs along

these lines is called moving sideways.

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01:20:00,010 --> 01:20:02,860

I'll send you a link of that,

but it's a really good one.

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01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:06,590

And it talks a bit about how, you know,

just, you know, one of the lines is

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01:20:06,590 --> 01:20:10,680

something like, um, You know, I guess,

uh, even though, even though I feel

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01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:13,750

empty, I guess I'll keep, even though

my tank is empty, I guess I'll have to

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01:20:13,770 --> 01:20:15,480

just keep driving kind of thing, right?

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01:20:15,480 --> 01:20:21,110

You know, so, um, but yeah, no, I think

that, uh, the whole idea of, of, of, you

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01:20:21,110 --> 01:20:26,980

know, finding your passion and then, um,

finding, you know, your, your agency, you

:

01:20:26,980 --> 01:20:33,184

know, another, another, um, approach that

I really, really think is, is, is one that

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01:20:33,184 --> 01:20:37,515

resonates really well with this discussion

is, is Paul Conti is a psychiatrist who

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01:20:37,515 --> 01:20:42,865

talks about the importance of meaning

and agency as a way to help to enhance

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01:20:42,885 --> 01:20:47,395

positive emotional states, you know, so

that's bringing the, the abundance and the

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01:20:47,395 --> 01:20:52,434

generosity as part of what brings meaning

and agency into a person's daily life.

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01:20:52,684 --> 01:20:56,005

And, you know, part of what, what's

interesting just to maybe this can segue

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01:20:56,005 --> 01:21:00,705

into how, um, Viewers and listeners

can find out more about your book and

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01:21:00,705 --> 01:21:05,225

your app and your program, but one of

the things that just brings to mind

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01:21:05,295 --> 01:21:11,195

about the app is that, you know, the

generosity kind of, um, practice for in

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01:21:11,195 --> 01:21:14,535

the morning, you know, what's maybe you

can explain that a little bit for us and

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01:21:14,535 --> 01:21:17,855

then point us in the direction of where

we can find out more about your program.

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01:21:18,525 --> 01:21:18,875

Tim: Sure.

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01:21:18,975 --> 01:21:21,665

Um, To start with

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01:21:23,975 --> 01:21:27,555

the, the, the first thing I

think people need to do is

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01:21:27,585 --> 01:21:28,845

connect to themselves powerfully.

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01:21:28,875 --> 01:21:32,385

So it's really hard to be generous

if you're not sleeping very well.

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01:21:33,015 --> 01:21:37,405

So, you know, giving, being generous

with yourself, with breath work,

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01:21:37,415 --> 01:21:39,885

going to sleep, sleep amazingly well.

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01:21:40,275 --> 01:21:43,705

When you're getting out of bed,

um, instead of just throwing that

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01:21:43,745 --> 01:21:46,615

heavy, those heavy legs out off the

side of the bed, you're doing breath

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01:21:46,635 --> 01:21:47,915

work, you're activating your body.

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01:21:48,434 --> 01:21:50,095

Uh, and then.

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01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:54,130

If you were to listen to the Breathwork In

Bed app in the mornings, it doesn't just

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01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:56,670

connect your body and activate your body.

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01:21:56,680 --> 01:22:00,610

It offers mirror work where you say these

positive affirmations in the mirror.

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01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:02,540

Now I'm an army dude.

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01:22:02,580 --> 01:22:04,630

I'm not normally into this sort of stuff.

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01:22:05,140 --> 01:22:07,200

Uh, but I'm saying this

stuff in the mirror.

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01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:09,630

I'm like, crap, man, this stuff works.

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01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:13,720

And, and the wisdom of the army is if

it's stupid and it works, it ain't stupid.

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01:22:14,100 --> 01:22:16,610

So because it worked, I'm like,

I have to have it in there.

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01:22:16,610 --> 01:22:19,655

So just saying these words

Just staring at the mirror.

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01:22:19,655 --> 01:22:21,355

It's just so super powerful.

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01:22:23,335 --> 01:22:27,735

And so getting yourself out of

fatigue, but then there's an offering

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01:22:28,205 --> 01:22:29,815

and there's no compulsion here.

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01:22:30,225 --> 01:22:34,045

But my theory is, is if you want to

double the energy and connection,

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01:22:34,045 --> 01:22:36,775

you're feeling all that energy

that you've spent connecting to.

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01:22:37,945 --> 01:22:41,475

It goes full circle when you

connect to another human being.

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01:22:41,475 --> 01:22:41,985

Mike: And

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01:22:42,765 --> 01:22:45,425

Tim: so doing a simple act of generosity.

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01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:48,260

Now, it doesn't have to cost you anything.

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01:22:48,700 --> 01:22:50,410

It could be letting someone in traffic.

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01:22:50,470 --> 01:22:54,470

It could just be when you're having

a conversation with somebody really

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01:22:54,490 --> 01:22:57,170

let them be seen and heard and known.

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01:22:57,980 --> 01:22:59,340

And that that's beyond words.

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01:22:59,340 --> 01:23:00,620

You just hold a space for them.

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01:23:00,620 --> 01:23:03,870

And you just watch that other person

really respond and just say for

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01:23:03,870 --> 01:23:07,700

one person day, I'm going to really

let them be seen, heard, and known.

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01:23:07,700 --> 01:23:08,730

Mike: And.

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01:23:09,809 --> 01:23:13,000

Tim: And it could even be the

checkout chick that's doing your

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01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,030

groceries, what, whatever that is.

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01:23:15,390 --> 01:23:18,930

And you'd be surprised when you do

that from a position of abundance

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01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:24,470

and deliberately just how much

energy you get as a, as a return.

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01:23:25,030 --> 01:23:26,540

Um, so.

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01:23:27,380 --> 01:23:31,280

When you wake up in the morning, and a

lot of people get a lot of benefit from

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01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:36,450

this, instead of just hitting the alarm

clock and, and forcing you all that lead

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01:23:36,460 --> 01:23:41,440

weight out, breathwork transforms that

lead into gold, body activation, your feet

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01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:42,840

are hitting the floor very differently.

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01:23:43,660 --> 01:23:48,059

Mirror work, saying positive affirmations

in the mirror, uh, connects your

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01:23:48,059 --> 01:23:53,373

mind, your body, sets your day up, and

then you're offered to do an act of

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01:23:53,373 --> 01:23:54,780

generosity, whatever that looks like.

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01:23:55,650 --> 01:23:59,535

And You're then saying, well,

it's one thing to do it yourself,

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01:23:59,535 --> 01:24:00,835

but to share it with others.

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01:24:02,155 --> 01:24:03,684

Has a multiplying effect.

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01:24:04,945 --> 01:24:08,295

So we have on the app, something

called the generosity news

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01:24:08,295 --> 01:24:13,675

wall, where you just stick up a

photo of, uh, act of generosity.

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01:24:13,755 --> 01:24:21,175

Um, and you, uh, write a few

words and people can see it there.

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01:24:21,175 --> 01:24:29,245

So the goal of that is, is multiple,

but the current narrative in our

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01:24:29,245 --> 01:24:32,805

society, Michael, when people say,

Oh, the world's a terrible place.

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01:24:33,395 --> 01:24:37,485

I say, Is that you saying it or is

that the TV speaking through you?

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01:24:37,885 --> 01:24:41,215

Is that all the mainstream media just

speaking through your mouth right now?

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01:24:41,265 --> 01:24:43,485

Have you really made your

mind up that this is terrible?

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01:24:43,485 --> 01:24:45,735

Or have you allowed some other

narrative to come through you?

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01:24:46,245 --> 01:24:49,295

So I want to change the

narrative on my phone.

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01:24:49,295 --> 01:24:53,955

I want a little notification saying,

you know, Craig from Canada took

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01:24:53,955 --> 01:24:57,495

his neighbor's bins in, you know,

shoveled his neighbor's driveway,

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01:24:57,535 --> 01:24:59,995

um, picked up some cigarette butts.

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01:24:59,995 --> 01:25:00,715

That's my favorite.

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01:25:00,785 --> 01:25:01,995

I like picking up cigarette butts.

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01:25:02,335 --> 01:25:05,155

Um, Let somebody in traffic.

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01:25:05,155 --> 01:25:10,385

So to see that the current narrative

you are usually hearing from

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01:25:10,385 --> 01:25:12,075

disempowered, disconnected people.

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01:25:12,845 --> 01:25:16,835

So imagine getting little notifications

on your phone from empowered and connected

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people, empowered and connected people.

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We have the numbers, but we

don't have the spotlight.

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So the generosity news wall is a

chance to change the narrative.

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And put the spotlight on the

empowered and connected people.

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And if you, if you wanted to be a part

of all this, uh, I'm doing a 28 day free

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trial for the Breathwork In Bed app.

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You can pick up your

smartphone or Android.

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You do, you type in three words,

breathwork, one word in bed.

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And, uh, it's a subscription model,

you know, so you get the 28 days free.

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It's less than two copies for

a month of, uh, breathwork.

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It'll ask you two simple questions.

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When you want to sleep,

when you want to wake up.

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So you have these things falling out

of your phone exactly when you need

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them, exactly when you need them.

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Uh, and it's particularly handy at 3 a.

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m.

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when your head's doing these ones, going

a million miles an hour, and you've got a

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button to push to put you back into sleep.

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That saved my life on so many occasions.

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Uh, And

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that is my sort of, it took me like

many, many years to have that connection.

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And now I've, I've packaged it in such

a way where people can just search three

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words, put in when they sleep, when they

wake up and, and we take care of the rest.

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Cause I can't do what you do.

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I can't do what anyone does listening

to this, but if I can help improve your

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sleep, then, um, you know, you're going

to do what you do even, even better.

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Mike: Yeah, that's fantastic.

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Thanks so much for explaining

that we'll put all of the relevant

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links to all of your program

information in the show notes.

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So people watching and listening can

check that out in the show notes below.

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And I really would encourage you.

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I'm going to myself.

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I'd encourage everyone watching

and listening to check it out.

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You know, Tim's program offers so much.

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But we've talked about today in terms

of the benefit for sleep and health

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and wellness in general through

foundational practices like breath

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work and, uh, you know, fostering

the gratitude and, and building

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an intentional gratitude practice.

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I think it's just so exciting.

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It's so interesting.

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And again, I can't thank you enough,

Tim, for sharing your time, your

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insights and your wisdom with us today.

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Um, if there's anything else that you

wanted to, um, add before we wrap up,

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I'll just, um, you know, let you, uh,

again, offer anything else, but, you

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know, thanks again for appearing on

the Neuro Stimulation Podcast today.

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Really appreciate it.

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Tim: I was really looking

forward to being on here.

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Um, and, uh, I really want

to support people, uh, with

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the, the Breathwork Embed app.

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I'm not the powerful one here.

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I'm just the guy that I saw, I see

myself as the person that introduces

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you to the love of your life.

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Um, and you're going to have that

connection for the rest of your life.

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Um, but I really want to ask you one last

question because you're in a position

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where I'm, I'm not in and you're,

yes, I'm going to ask you like this.

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So how do you see these tools, you know,

the, the natural techniques like breath,

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01:28:29,155 --> 01:28:36,165

wake uh, breath work and, uh, the advanced

therapies like neurostimulation, shaping

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the future of mental and physical health.

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Mike: Yeah, no, I mean, I

appreciate the question.

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I mean, I think part of the reason why

I'm so excited about this kind of an

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approach, you know, with the breath work

and, um, the particular focus on improving

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01:28:50,195 --> 01:28:55,395

sleep, um, is that, you know, kind of

like we were talking about throughout the

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01:28:55,395 --> 01:29:00,275

discussion at times, you know, the kind of

the legacy, what I tend to call the legacy

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01:29:00,275 --> 01:29:06,865

approach to treating a lot of, um, Health

in general, but particularly, you know,

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mental health issues relates to either

a combination or either or of medication

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01:29:13,505 --> 01:29:16,025

and or counseling slash psychotherapy.

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Now, I want to say that for many people,

medications work really well, and they're

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very important, and I would encourage

people to work with their They're,

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01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:27,920

you know, health professionals in, in

tailoring their own treatment plan for

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whatever condition that they're, that

they're dealing with and overcoming.

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But, you know, for a lot of people, you

know, in my own practice, and I think

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01:29:36,890 --> 01:29:40,620

just in my personal life, friends,

family, you know, it strikes me that.

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01:29:41,450 --> 01:29:45,850

Sometimes the cart gets put before the

horse, you know, and that often I'll try

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to figure out, well, you know, have you

explored lifestyle options like exercise,

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01:29:51,910 --> 01:29:55,490

you know, looking at diet, looking at

these other kinds of foundational sorts

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of approaches like mindfulness and breath

work and, and, and just optimizing sleep.

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So I think if you know what I'm,

I'm hopeful for and I'm excited

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by approaches like yours is that

the more that, you know, with.

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And I think part of it as well is

this, you know, I use this term before

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the, you know, the pharmaco industrial

complex, and I think part of it is

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01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:20,800

that, you know, Legacy media and

advertisements on TV and what have you.

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01:30:21,210 --> 01:30:25,170

It's all part of that machine that

that at the end of the day is geared

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01:30:25,170 --> 01:30:29,040

towards getting the prescriber to

write a prescription and and the

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01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:31,240

pharmacist to dispense the pills.

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01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:31,490

Right?

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01:30:31,730 --> 01:30:34,605

So, by educating people

with these kinds of tools.

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The way that we're doing now with

podcasting and all the different

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01:30:38,095 --> 01:30:41,965

avenues now in the alternative media is

hopefully going to be helping people to

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01:30:41,965 --> 01:30:46,675

understand that there are other options

that maybe they can find the right path

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01:30:46,805 --> 01:30:49,845

that you were talking about right at

the very beginning, sooner rather than

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01:30:49,845 --> 01:30:54,045

going down, you know, the wrong path and

going on wild goose chases and having

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01:30:54,045 --> 01:30:57,970

them, you know, lose months, years of

their life to, you know, um, You know,

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01:30:57,990 --> 01:31:01,130

going down the wrong path of different

treatment options that aren't the right

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ones for them in the first place, right?

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So that's exactly what I'm excited about.

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And yeah, I mean, perhaps neurostimulation

options might be part of these different

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01:31:09,809 --> 01:31:14,590

kinds of alternatives that people might

want to try as opposed to, or perhaps

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01:31:14,590 --> 01:31:18,570

even in addition to other treatments

like medication and counseling.

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You know, my sense is that probably

a combination of things, right?

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And this is the thing.

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It doesn't have to be either or,

but perhaps it can be part of, uh,

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01:31:26,955 --> 01:31:31,165

You know, a whole combination of

approaches, um, that can be tailored to

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01:31:31,165 --> 01:31:33,705

fit an individual's particular needs.

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01:31:34,125 --> 01:31:37,985

That is going to be the best to

help that person be as healthy and

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01:31:38,015 --> 01:31:39,725

to flourish as much as possible.

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So, yeah.

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Tim: Awesome.

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Well said.

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Well said.

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I love it.

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I love it.

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And, uh, uh, yeah, I think with our

powers combined, we're, um, we're

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01:31:49,165 --> 01:31:52,555

gonna, we're doing our best to, to

make, uh, make the world a better place.

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Mike: 100%.

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That's that's awesome.

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Thanks so much again.

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I'm going to add a little value.

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I'm going to

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Tim: put in a link.

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The first 20 people that click

on it will get my audio book

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for breath, working bed free.

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01:32:05,465 --> 01:32:08,175

And I'll also include the link to

guide people through that breadth

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of peace and possibility as well.

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Mike: Love it.

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I think that's so generous.

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01:32:12,860 --> 01:32:14,920

Again, just exemplifying the generosity.

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So thanks so much.

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Alrighty.

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Well, if you found value in

today's episode, I'm sure you have.

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01:32:20,670 --> 01:32:25,710

And, um, I'm sure therefore that you'll

share it with, uh, as many people as

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01:32:25,710 --> 01:32:28,510

you can think of, you know, and if

you have someone in mind in particular

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01:32:28,510 --> 01:32:32,640

that you think could benefit from Tim's

message, please Um, please do share it.

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01:32:32,690 --> 01:32:34,670

And as always, we'd love

to hear your thoughts.

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01:32:35,010 --> 01:32:38,710

Um, you know, uh, fill out

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And again, you know, um, remember to

breathe deeply, practice the techniques

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01:32:51,100 --> 01:32:55,650

that we've, uh, that Tim has so

kindly illustrated for us here today.

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01:32:56,115 --> 01:32:59,325

Um, you know, remember to rest fully now.

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01:32:59,335 --> 01:33:02,145

Hopefully, your sleep is going to

improve as you start to implement

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01:33:02,155 --> 01:33:04,565

these techniques and stay connected.

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Um, so yeah, thanks for listening.

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Remember to stay curious and

we'll see you in the next episode.

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Thanks again, Tim.

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Have a good one.

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Happy New Year, by the way.

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Happy New Year to you from down under.

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All the best.

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All right.

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Thanks again.

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Bye bye now.

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Michael Passmore

Dr. Michael Passmore is a psychiatrist based in Vancouver, BC, with expertise in neurostimulation therapies. Having completed specialized training in multiple neurostimulation modalities, including a mini-fellowship in electroconvulsive therapy at Duke University and a mini-fellowship in transcranial magnetic stimulation at Harvard University, Dr. Passmore brings a robust clinical and academic background to his practice. Formerly the head of the neurostimulation program in the department of Psychiatry at Providence Health Care, Dr. Passmore now serves as a clinical associate professor at the University of British Columbia’s Department of Psychiatry. From his clinic, ZipStim Neurostimulation (zipstim.com), Dr. Passmore offers private, physician-supervised, home-based transcranial direct current stimulation (tDCS) treatments tailored to clients across Canada.​